No, this was pretty well a constant throughout the entire franchise. The DS9 Baseball episode, anyone?
Yeah, i didn't like it then either. Though i've seen people complain about it only in the case of ENT.
Unless you are referring to the very, very end, I don’t see this at all. The entire mood of the movie shifted after the destruction of Vulcan.
Well, here i'll have strongly to disagree. We have the grief of two Spocks but too little from anyone else. And i don't mean just the end, i mean useless monsters, Scotty's jar-jar, him beaming into a tube and such.
Again, your opinion. I thought Kirk made a huge change from the beginning to the end.
All right. Explain how you saw his journey.
Kim never getting promoted never bothered me. Kirk getting promoted didn’t bother me. In fact, they have entire threads devoted to the discussion of Kirk getting promoted, with several reasonable reasons listed. For example, the kid took command and saved all of the Federation. Nothing big. Aren’t you bothered by anyone else? Ships being sent lots of cadets to work? Other cadets currently in the academy having real ranks? Uhura? McCoy?
Yeah, i'm bothered by that too, this is just the most obvious moment, because it was just so unbelievable and smacked of lazy writing IMO. (ok, that's for the other thread)
Find me a movie or TV show that lacks these.
Yeah, but of this magnitude? Actually, i think this, besides the unoriginality of it all, is my main gripe with the movie. Some can view it as fun even if the plot is holey, i can't.
Addressed earlier in the thread.
Ah, but not the second part of it. That it was just a too easy, pull out of your hat solution, again IMO lazy writing.
Ok, I’ll do startrekwatcher’s too in a second. Find me a movie or TV show that doesn’t have clichés. The issue is when they’re abused… say, in every episode or multiple times in the episode. You’re right, time travel wasn’t needed in this case. But do you know why it was used this time? To throw the fans a bone. This way, the writers could do whatever they wanted with fewer pissy fans getting on their case. And I thought it was done well.
But the problem is the whole movie is cliche, especially compared to previous movies, when it claimed it was something different - the villain, the story of the hero, the way they defeat him, all seen before a hundred times.
“Superfluous striptease?” really? Again, it’s a difference between a 2 minute bit in a movie and a series long thing.
Yeah, but its 2 minutes in a 2 hour movie compared to a few scenes in the whole series.
When you oversimplify it that much, yeah you can find something that matches. The complaints against VOY were literally that they switched names and did the exact same story.
But in both cases it's a sign of unoriginality, maybe they were just better in hiding it in ST09.
Again, you’re picking on opinions. You don’t think that ST09 was well written. That doesn’t make it fact
Nope, but we're all just discussing opinions anyways...
Emphasis mine. You're assuming through extension that people disliked the listed shows and movies for the same reasons you did.
Nope, that's why i said 'I'. I see the contradiction, you're there to prove me there isn't one.
Anyway, i give up, i'm burned and my bed is looking awfully comfy... Thanks for the replies, keep the discussion going...