Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

[miraclefan]

and the brewery... that's all the nuclear power cores needed to power the ship at impluse.

Who would'a thunk ''moonshine'' would be powering the ENTERPRISE!?

 

[Praetor]

Hey, it was good enough for all those ridge racers and their Model Ts.

 

[EJD1984]

Re: Size Of The New Enterprise

They obviously decided to make the ship larger after the design was finished. Window and hull geometry work it out to be larger that the TOS & Refit, but not as big as the Galaxy class. You just cannot enlarge something and call it bigger- it needs to be disigned that way. You would not upscale a fighter palne and call it a stratgic bomber.

QFT.

Next Gen did this with the bloody Klingon Bird of Prey all the time and it drove me batshit.

I think DS9 was the worst on this. There were at least three different BoPs, all identical in external appearance. One was so small you would have to duck walking thorough the "neck." So it's not like this is a new problem.

As for the new E, no matter which way we cut it, there's going to be discrepancies, because they changed the size throughout production to fit the needs of each shot. I still think a length in the neighborhood of 457m causes the fewest problems, though. I find it easier to excuse skinny spaces between decks and fudge the numbers on the viewscreen, than to explain why all the windows are 9 feet tall.

It almost seems like they truly went for: "Lets just film what looks cool on screen, and disregard any logical sizing & dimensioning issues"

 

[ST-One]

Re: Size Of The New Enterprise

QFT.

Next Gen did this with the bloody Klingon Bird of Prey all the time and it drove me batshit.

I think DS9 was the worst on this. There were at least three different BoPs, all identical in external appearance. One was so small you would have to duck walking thorough the "neck." So it's not like this is a new problem.

As for the new E, no matter which way we cut it, there's going to be discrepancies, because they changed the size throughout production to fit the needs of each shot. I still think a length in the neighborhood of 457m causes the fewest problems, though. I find it easier to excuse skinny spaces between decks and fudge the numbers on the viewscreen, than to explain why all the windows are 9 feet tall.

It almost seems like they truly went for: "Lets just film what looks cool on screen, and disregard any logical sizing & dimensioning issues"

ah... film making

 

[Guartho]

You know what the worst part of this thread is? All these size-comparing pictures are starting to make me think the refit has disproportionally small engines that make it look out of balance. The REFIT!

 

[Praetor]

The WOMEN!!

Oh, sorry I was lost for a moment.

I can see what you mean, Guartho. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not...

 

[miraclefan]

You know what the worst part of this thread is? All these size-comparing pictures are starting to make me think the refit has disproportionally small engines that make it look out of balance. The REFIT!

I know! I did a double take on the refit last night thinking ''wow, those nacells are small''

 

[miraclefan]

The WOMEN!!

Oh, sorry I was lost for a moment.

I can see what you mean, Guartho. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not...

Maybe we should give the REFIT some ''O'' them ''Naturel Male Enhancment pills''! they adver'TIZED on the T.V. looky box!

 

[Guartho]

I don't know. Any woman can tell you, it's not the size of the nacelles, it's the stability of the and asymmetrical shape of the warp field they generate.

 

[miraclefan]

I don't know. Any woman can tell you, it's not the size of the nacelles, it's the stability of the and asymmetrical shape of the warp field they generate.

RIGHT! That's what they ALL SAY!

 

[EJD1984]

I don't know. Any woman can tell you, it's not the size of the nacelles, it's the stability of the and asymmetrical shape of the warp field they generate.

It's not the size of you're "Nacelle" that maters, just how good the performance of your "Warp Field" is.


Though seriously, the way that the TMP Enterprise was portrayed on screen, overall was the most "accurate" ever portrayed on screen.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I took a brief look at terrifying (and new Star Trek-hating) website Ex Astris Scientia (it’s like a car crash – you know it’ll be ugly, but you have to look). The guy who wrote the new Enterprise article was utterly furious, and he seemed to react as if the new Enterprise was some sort of personal attack against him (could you imagine being the poor guy sat next to him at the cinema?).

First of all – I think the new Enterprise looks great (the fact that it’s bigger doesn’t bother me at all), and I loved the new engineering areas. It really gave things a sense of scale. For the first time it felt like I was watching people on a giant starship. I’ve always found the “giant lava lamps” of TMP, Voyager and the rest in the engine rooms very cheesy and unrealistic. I hope to see more of the Enterprise brewery in Star Trek 12!
The giant shuttlebay looks great as well.

I reckon new Enterprise is much bigger than the old one. Take a look at the very first ‘under construction’ trailer and the size of the people walking over the ship (compared to ST: TMP), and also the open panel cutaways of the saucer. The saucer rim looks 4 decks thick.

I (sadly) did notice a couple of scaling errors in the new film – the bridge windows on the Kelvin were too big for the shuttlebay at the back and I think the same is true of the Enterprise as well (but if you look at the top of the Enterprise saucer – there are two more viewscreen-sized windows on either side of the bridge dome – so maybe there’s more than just the bridge in there?).
But unlike some people I’m aware it’s just a film (and one I very much enjoyed) and I don’t lose any sleep about the size of pretend spaceships ;-)

 

[Kpnuts]

I took a brief look at terrifying (and new Star Trek-hating) website Ex Astris Scientia (it’s like a car crash – you know it’ll be ugly, but you have to look). The guy who wrote the new Enterprise article was utterly furious, and he seemed to react as if the new Enterprise was some sort of personal attack against him (could you imagine being the poor guy sat next to him at the cinema?).

First of all – I think the new Enterprise looks great (the fact that it’s bigger doesn’t bother me at all), and I loved the new engineering areas. It really gave things a sense of scale. For the first time it felt like I was watching people on a giant starship. I’ve always found the “giant lava lamps” of TMP, Voyager and the rest in the engine rooms very cheesy and unrealistic. I hope to see more of the Enterprise brewery in Star Trek 12!
The giant shuttlebay looks great as well.

I reckon new Enterprise is much bigger than the old one. Take a look at the very first ‘under construction’ trailer and the size of the people walking over the ship (compared to ST: TMP), and also the open panel cutaways of the saucer. The saucer rim looks 4 decks thick.

I (sadly) did notice a couple of scaling errors in the new film – the bridge windows on the Kelvin were too big for the shuttlebay at the back and I think the same is true of the Enterprise as well (but if you look at the top of the Enterprise saucer – there are two more viewscreen-sized windows on either side of the bridge dome – so maybe there’s more than just the bridge in there?).
But unlike some people I’m aware it’s just a film (and one I very much enjoyed) and I don’t lose any sleep about the size of pretend spaceships ;-)

Good post, totally agree with everything you said.

 

[RisenStar]

After seeing a third time, I think that the "shuttle docking" sequence is inconsistent with other portrayals of the E in the same movie. Kirk's shuttle leaving for the Academy, Pike's flight over to Narada, and the shot where the camera pans out (exiting the viewscreen window) and around the ship seem to be at odds with that scene everyone is using for the basis of their measurement.

Mayhap that scene is the abberation? It is a larger ship, sure, but that one scene is off when compared to others. Pardon, I have no images yet. Will be fun when the BluRay gets here.

 

[Lt. Trull]

not only that but if you look closely you see four rows of seven shuttlecraft, two on each side, one row on top of the other. and those were not small shuttles either...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Kirk's shuttle leaving for the Academy, Pike's flight over to Narada, and the shot where the camera pans out (exiting the viewscreen window) and around the ship seem to be at odds with that scene everyone is using for the basis of their measurement.

Did you notice that Kirk and McCoy's shuttle was roughly the size of a phaser emplacement on the saucer of the Enterprise, and smaller than the ship's registry number? On the ST:TMP refit those phaser emplacements - roughly the same size relative to that ship as these are to the new ship - were about twelve feet wide. Here, they're more like forty.

The main viewer window on the model has been estimated to be twenty-plus feet wide, which matches figures other folks have derived for the main viewer window on the bridge set.

 

[Peter the Younger]

After seeing a third time, I think that the "shuttle docking" sequence is inconsistent with other portrayals of the E in the same movie. Kirk's shuttle leaving for the Academy, Pike's flight over to Narada, and the shot where the camera pans out (exiting the viewscreen window) and around the ship seem to be at odds with that scene everyone is using for the basis of their measurement.

Mayhap that scene is the abberation? It is a larger ship, sure, but that one scene is off when compared to others. Pardon, I have no images yet. Will be fun when the BluRay gets here.

That's the core problem - the scenes are inconsistent with each other.

Somewhere some ILM graphics guy is sitting at a cubicle decorated with Transformers, wearing a "Bantha Tracks" T-shirt, drinking out of a Serenity coffee mug, reading this and saying, "Dorks."

 

[BillJ]

Re: Size Of The New Enterprise

How in the word do those supports hold them up when they are only at the very end?

Pssst. Space. Zero gravity.

Um... it was built on the ground.

 

[The Doctor]

After seeing a third time, I think that the "shuttle docking" sequence is inconsistent with other portrayals of the E in the same movie. Kirk's shuttle leaving for the Academy, Pike's flight over to Narada, and the shot where the camera pans out (exiting the viewscreen window) and around the ship seem to be at odds with that scene everyone is using for the basis of their measurement.

Mayhap that scene is the abberation? It is a larger ship, sure, but that one scene is off when compared to others. Pardon, I have no images yet. Will be fun when the BluRay gets here.

That's the core problem - the scenes are inconsistent with each other.

Somewhere some ILM graphics guy is sitting at a cubicle decorated with Transformers, wearing a "Bantha Tracks" T-shirt, drinking out of a Serenity coffee mug, reading this and saying, "Dorks."

The only real inconsistency that I remember is the sequence where Kirk's shuttle passes by the Enterprise under construction. In that scene at least, the Big E appears to be more Refit-sized. The rest of the time, it all works out.

 

[Guartho]

Re: Size Of The New Enterprise

Um... it was built on the ground.

Um... we covered that. We've seen almost every ship named Enterprise fly in, through, and out of gravity wells far greater than Earth sea-level without their nacelles snapping off. This Enterprise even does it during the climax of the movie. There's nothing at all to support this notion that, once assembled, the nacelles would snap off on the ground.