Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the same...
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Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam
As he was older than Spock he would have had to have been born in the new timeline (in 2224) and survived to at the very least until Kirk's birth and the changes to the timeline (2333) and most likely much longer than that.
As he was older than Spock he would have had to have been born in the new timeline (in 2224) and survived to at the very least until Kirk's birth and the changes to the timeline (2333) and most likely much longer than that.
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Actually, it was in THE FINAL FRONTIER, not THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY.
Trust me, you're not missing much.
Actually, it was in THE FINAL FRONTIER, not THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY.
Trust me, you're not missing much.
Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam
(He was probably on Vulcan.)
[singsongy] Not an-y-more!! [/singsongy]
(He was probably on Vulcan.)
Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam
Those guys on that planet must have been completely starved of women to have even considered old Uhuru's dance to be worth watching.
Those guys on that planet must have been completely starved of women to have even considered old Uhuru's dance to be worth watching.
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If the events of the arrival of Nero in 2333 and the battle that followed didn't have much effect on the Vulcan people than in all likelihood Sybok's life would have been much the same meaning he probably would not have been on Vulcan when it exploded.
If the events of the arrival of Nero in 2333 and the battle that followed didn't have much effect on the Vulcan people than in all likelihood Sybok's life would have been much the same meaning he probably would not have been on Vulcan when it exploded.
Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam
Robau danced for them once and it satisfied them for decades.
Robau danced for them once and it satisfied them for decades.
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NO. Do NOT ruin this for me!
If the events of the arrival of Nero in 2333 and the battle that followed didn't have much effect on the Vulcan people than in all likelihood Sybok's life would have been much the same meaning he probably would not have been on Vulcan when it exploded.
Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam
I hear where you're going and agree (although could quibble on the details). These characters are not the ones necessarily from TOS. For example, Spock's mom didn't die in TOS and his planet wasn't destroyed. Kirk wasn't as much of a bad boy, possibly because we're led to believe his father lived.
Thus, these characters aren't the ones we remember. They're different.
I hear where you're going and agree (although could quibble on the details). These characters are not the ones necessarily from TOS. For example, Spock's mom didn't die in TOS and his planet wasn't destroyed. Kirk wasn't as much of a bad boy, possibly because we're led to believe his father lived.
Thus, these characters aren't the ones we remember. They're different.
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The question is whether they were biologically the same or not. I maintain that Kirk and anyone born before him were the same person biologically as the person in the Prime-timeline. They might have had a drastically different upbeing (Kirk certainly did) and not have been emotionally the same person. However if their lives were not very much influence by the event that surrounded Nero's arrival in the nu-timeline than they are probably close in personality to their counterpart in the Prime-timeline.
However after the destruction of Vulcan there would have been a significant change to all of Federation history which would probably mean that all their lives after the end of this movie would be significant different from the lives they lead in TOS.
The question is whether they were biologically the same or not. I maintain that Kirk and anyone born before him were the same person biologically as the person in the Prime-timeline. They might have had a drastically different upbeing (Kirk certainly did) and not have been emotionally the same person. However if their lives were not very much influence by the event that surrounded Nero's arrival in the nu-timeline than they are probably close in personality to their counterpart in the Prime-timeline.
However after the destruction of Vulcan there would have been a significant change to all of Federation history which would probably mean that all their lives after the end of this movie would be significant different from the lives they lead in TOS.
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Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam
Sorry, no. Nichols was American and spoke with a mid-atlantic pronunciation - no pronounced accent, "African (a non-existent accent)" or otherwise.
Sorry, no. Nichols was American and spoke with a mid-atlantic pronunciation - no pronounced accent, "African (a non-existent accent)" or otherwise.
Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam
I don't think people are getting what I'm saying, I'm not talking about the characters changing because of the events of the movie, I'm saying they might not even BE the same Uhura, Scotty and Sulu who went onto serve on the Enteprirse. It's possible that more than one person on Earth could be named Niorah Uhura, Monty Scott and Hikaru Sulu and that it's these SECOND people who ended up on the Enterprise!!
I don't think people are getting what I'm saying, I'm not talking about the characters changing because of the events of the movie, I'm saying they might not even BE the same Uhura, Scotty and Sulu who went onto serve on the Enteprirse. It's possible that more than one person on Earth could be named Niorah Uhura, Monty Scott and Hikaru Sulu and that it's these SECOND people who ended up on the Enterprise!!
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Well, there's the story of the English scholar who devoted his career to proving that the plays of William Shakespeare were not written by William Shakespeare, but by another playwright named William Shakespeare...
Well, there's the story of the English scholar who devoted his career to proving that the plays of William Shakespeare were not written by William Shakespeare, but by another playwright named William Shakespeare...
Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam
the writers were partly inspired the trek novel best destiny were yes kirk's father was still alive but he was in his youth still a bit of a bad boy.
but back to the important stuff..
do we know this is the prime mad baggins.
i mean this is out of the normal misc venue.
maybe this is a parallel mad baggins or even worse a mu mad baggins.
or is mu mad baggins the one who posts about the cousin in misc.
as for scotty..
uh part of the time yeah but then there was the bar fight, the woman he met in the bar, drinking the alien under the table.
he had his moments.
maybe if george kirk was still alive he was able to intervene and kept scotty
from going off in exile.
the writers were partly inspired the trek novel best destiny were yes kirk's father was still alive but he was in his youth still a bit of a bad boy.
but back to the important stuff..
do we know this is the prime mad baggins.
i mean this is out of the normal misc venue.
maybe this is a parallel mad baggins or even worse a mu mad baggins.
or is mu mad baggins the one who posts about the cousin in misc.
as for scotty..
uh part of the time yeah but then there was the bar fight, the woman he met in the bar, drinking the alien under the table.
he had his moments.
maybe if george kirk was still alive he was able to intervene and kept scotty
from going off in exile.
Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam
Okay, but that's just silly . . . .
Okay, but that's just silly . . . .
Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam
Personally, I just don't buy that this is the exact same universe. I do believe that it was an alternate universe from the very beginning, but at an earlier point in time. It's a similar enough universe where Spock Prime can recognize younger versions of his former shipmates, though...
IMO, the only notable changes brought about by the destruction of the Kelvin was to James T. Kirk--but that in itself had far-reaching consequences. If it wasn't for Spock Prime's involvement, this Kirk never would have become captain of his Enterprise and Nero would have likely prevailed and wiped out the Earth (and the Federation) in this universe...
Personally, I just don't buy that this is the exact same universe. I do believe that it was an alternate universe from the very beginning, but at an earlier point in time. It's a similar enough universe where Spock Prime can recognize younger versions of his former shipmates, though...
IMO, the only notable changes brought about by the destruction of the Kelvin was to James T. Kirk--but that in itself had far-reaching consequences. If it wasn't for Spock Prime's involvement, this Kirk never would have become captain of his Enterprise and Nero would have likely prevailed and wiped out the Earth (and the Federation) in this universe...
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