Chivalry: It's dead, Jim.
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Nobody is saying anything about being subservient...
You've still not answered why you only give up your seat for a woman and not for a man.
SGx is quite clearly suggesting that men behave this way in order to gain some kind of advantage over other men and not because it's some nice thing to do.
Not giving up a seat is an indication of your general attitude. The discussion doesn't have to be confined to trains. An attitude transfers to people you know, too. If you don't give up your seat, you probably don't surprise your loved ones with flowers, or carry heavy bags, etc... these are things a woman notices, whether she says anything about it or not.
Right, because I don't give up a seat that somehow means I don't do anything nice. Yep, that makes sense. 
And again what has this got to do with the person you're giving the seat up to being a woman ? Other than the absolutely minuscule chance that she might find you more attractive because of it.
Not giving up a seat to an absolute stranger has nothing to do with the way you behave towards people you know. We've cracked this one open, really. The women who have answered who do expect it or at least think it's nice clearly think men should do it out of some ridiculous notion that they'll get something in return.
How is being a gentleman a dumb idea? Is it also dumb to have manners? To say please and thank you? To have any class whatsoever?
I don't give my seat up for other guys because that's not the tradition. It has to do with making a woman feel special. I don't need to want to date a girl to want to make her feel special or do something polite for her. However, the same treatment doesn't translate to guys.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you're either single, or have very little experience with women. Or both.
I consider myself pretty traditional in terms of holding doors open, letting girls go first downstairs, second upstairs, paying for meals if there's just two of us, etc, etc, but I must admit that I think tube seats are fair game to both sexes. Elderly/infirm is another matter, of course.
But Tube seats are fair & legimate prey for both sexes.
Ah yes, the old line-of-sight advantage to offering a seat to a girl in a low-cut top who you then end up standing next to. Of course, in terms of legs, there's nothing better to brighten up a boring journey than a nice pair of crossed pins opposite you.
See, I'm both traditional AND sleazy. I call it transleazetional.
But Tube seats are fair & legimate prey for both sexes.
Still, I have noticed it can be a self-serving act for men... as when seats are offered, it may well be the woman who is to benefit is especially well-endowed, or has fabulous legs, etc...
Ah yes, the old line-of-sight advantage to offering a seat to a girl in a low-cut top who you then end up standing next to. Of course, in terms of legs, there's nothing better to brighten up a boring journey than a nice pair of crossed pins opposite you.
See, I'm both traditional AND sleazy. I call it transleazetional.
I was waiting for you to get to that. Could we get through just one thread without you showing off please ?
I don't believe I mentioned anything about myself in the quoted text. If you can find anything that's specifically about me in that sentence, let me know.
Ah, yes, tradition. The idea that it has always been done and therefore you should just keep doing it without question.
And since you've indicated that this has to do with dating then you do do it for a selfish reason. I'm glad you've finally admitted to that. Now we can move on.
Let's face it. You do it to get laid. Or, at the very least, to get a date. That's essentially what you're saying here but you're clouding it with some sort of mumbo jumbo about tradition.
Personally, I'll hold the door open at times for a man or a woman. I don't discriminate. I only give up my seat for the elderly because, hey, I like to be able to sit on the train/bus/whatever. It's never hurt me in the past and it's likely to not hurt me in the future.
Every word you've posted has been about you.
Wow wow wow. Are you suggesting that this has been all about him trying to show off his skills with women and how he's better than us? Oh, say it ain't so.
Wrong. Reread my post. I specifically said that I don't do it because I want a better chance at a date with the girl. Most of the time the women I offer my seat to are far older or simply not my type. Besides (yes Hermiod, *now* I am mentioning it) I have a girlfriend, so your theory that I do it to get laid isn't valid. The guys who *do* do it to score are admittedly very lame.
As far as traditions go, I believe some traditions are worth holding on to. This is one of them.
Well yes, typically one posts about their own opinions and feelings in a discussion such as this. So yes, in a way I have been talking about myself.
But as we all know, Hermiod never talks about himself in a thread. Never.
If this was so then you wouldn't be taking pot shots at my own life because I disagree with you. No, you had to take that ever so classy step of insulting my own life and insinuate I'm a loser who never talks to women.
Then you can be the stand up while women who don't care about you sit down. Meanwhile, the ones who did notice, like SGx and An Officer can rest comfortably knowing that if the guy didn't like the looks of them, he would be sitting down doing his Sudoku by now.
Never said you weren't allowed to talk about yourself. What you aren't allowed to do is, even by inference, suggest that other posters - and it wasn't me you did it to - don't know anything about women and therefore will remain dateless forever just because they don't follow your outdated code of gentlemanly conduct. You took an unwarranted shot at sidious618 that he didn't deserve just because he disagrees with your notion that behaving in a subservient manner towards women is the right thing to do.
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