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Why George Lucas is a pompous ass, and copied Star Trek..

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These two franchises have nothing to do with one another, other than the fact they both have the word "star" in the title.

Star Wars is more similar to Lord of the Rings than it is to Star Trek. Sure there are some superficial similarities:

Hyper Space vs. Warp Speed
Phasers vs. Lasers
The Force vs. Logic

But these elements are found in almost any piece of science fiction.

Star Wars = a fantasy tale set in space
Star Trek = the bright future of humanity in the new frontier.

Well said.

By the time Lucas was pitching Star Wars around Hollywood, sci-fi was a non-starter in Hollywood. The Apes movies had run their course, films like Logan's Run, Rollerrball and Silent Running we very modest successes. If you were lucky, very lucky you might make a film in the neighborhood $5-8 million and come away with $18-22 million in box office receipts.

To suggest that some pencil pusher at a studio had seen or heard about Star Trek and was ready to sign on the dotted line because there was some hunger for sci-fi is simply laughable. As far as the studios were concerned Trek was a failed TV show from Desilu that's loyal fan base was seen as more of a curiosity than a cash cow to milk.

Hell, if the studios were so sold on the "massive" public influence that Trek had and thought there was money to be had then why did Paramount reject Lucas? Of all the studios out there surely they would know there was some untapped financial base to exploit, but they didn't.

As for Lucas, you may have not liked the Star Wars prequels, but to suggest he's some kind of hack who can't make films and needs other people to bail him out, I suggest you go watch "American Graffiti" or "THX-1138." Both of those films got made because of his will, his passion, and his smarts.

If you're going to go down this road I suggest you take a look at good ol' Gene. You could just as easily argue that the success of Star Trek, especially those first two seasons of TOS, were because Gene had surrounded himself with immensely talented people like Gene L. Coon and Herb Solow. People who were just as responsible for the success of Trek as Gene was.

Yancy
 
There are many people talking about how the new Star Trek movie is very similar to the original Star Wars in terms of character motivations, plot devices, etc. OK that's fine, I get that, and I'm sure some look down on such similarities. However, before you do I have this to say: George Lucas owes everything to Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek. Here's why.

First and foremost. Star Trek was able to wet the palette of many film execs in hollywood so by the time Star Wars script was passed around, it can be argued many of these executives had seen a Star Trek episode and were aware an audience was out there for entertaining science fiction. Reference all the Star Trek conventions in the early to mid 70s that highlighted the craving audiences had for that genre. It should also be noted, Lucas was known for having used a LOT of people close to him in the business in order to have successfully made the first film, and followed up by Empire and Jedi. Notice how the newer Star Wars movies absolutely sucked by comparison? Right, that is because that was Lucas sans talent around him. When he took over the lead on actually writing what got put on screen, it SHOWED. Reference the newer Indiana Jones movie, and that is as good example of any of Lucas's crappy writing abilities.

Let me also point out George Lucas's recent snide remarks about the new Trek movie that came at the end of him answering that he enjoyed the movie. The interviewer asked him something to the effect of " Would you have done anything different with Star Trek?" To which he responded " No because I'd never do a Trek". Wow really George? Trek apparently isn't good enough for your talents? I say GOOD. I would never want him writing anything Trek to begin with. He sucks out loud and gets far too much credit for Star Wars success in general.

To get back to my original point of Star Wars copying Star Trek. Let's see. A death star? Star Trek had the planet killer first:). Jedi Knights who have supernatural powers by harnassing their mind and physical energy around them? Can you say Gary Mitchell? Or even better can you say Talosians? The Yoda character offered up "logical" advice for living life, as did Obi Wan Kenobi. However, Spock had been doing that 10 years before those characters were written! Han Solo, as much as Harrison Ford kicked major ass in this role, again, it had been done before in the form of James T. Kirk. Kirk was a risk taker, rash in decisions, and always got the girl.

My overall point is, if anyone thinks the inspiration and sometimes copied ideas for Star Wars didn't stem from Star Trek there out of their MIND!! Because they most certainly did. Yet George Lucas is far too arrogant to ever admit that had it not been fo Star Trek, his lovely Star Wars never would have seen the time of day.

Lastly, I wonder if anyone else feels the same way I do regarding the replay value of Star Wars compared to Star Trek. When I was a kid I could rewatch the original Star Wars films over and over again. However, now that I'm a grown adult, I have absolutely no desire to watch the old films anymore. Instead, I'm always pysched to revist Original Series episodes of Trek, and the original movies. Why? Because I think Trek is simply multi-dimensional and Star Wars isn't. Trek had all the parallel societal overtones layered into a lot of the stories, where Star Wars kept that to a bear minimum.

Anyone agree?

Umm....yeah....about that:

http://www.trailertrasher.com/2009/05/star-trek-is-just-like-star-wars.html
 
Let me also point out George Lucas's recent snide remarks about the new Trek movie that came at the end of him answering that he enjoyed the movie. The interviewer asked him something to the effect of " Would you have done anything different with Star Trek?" To which he responded " No because I'd never do a Trek". Wow really George? Trek apparently isn't good enough for your talents?

Huh? Where did he ever say that his talents weren't good enough for Trek? He said he'd never do Trek. How is this comment snide? Star Wars is his baby, why on earth would he want to turn his attentions to someone else's franchise?

Yancy
 
Anyone ever see Forbidden Planet?

I'm sure many have.

Just because Lucas said he'd never do Star Trek, doesn't necessarily mean what you ascribe to it.

^^^ I've seen Forbidden Planet!

:) I think all Star Trek fans should watch Forbidden Planet - it might provide some... insight.

:techman:
 
Except for the fact the new film follows the same general plot points, Star Wars and Star Trek are nothing alike beyond they are both in set in space. And any similarity between the two can be attributed to the fact the new film follows the standard hero arc for Kirk - starts with mediocrity ends with greatness. Its in the details that they differ, and its the details that are important.

As for Lucas oweing Star Trek, Star Trek was a failed television series, if movie executives were aware of it at all it was likely because of the fans who couldnt let it go. Without Star Wars prompting everyone to look for a similar franchise they could milk, Roddenberry wouldnt have got a look in for TMP.

Both franchises are no less valid than the other.
 
Anyone ever see Forbidden Planet?

I'm sure many have.

Just because Lucas said he'd never do Star Trek, doesn't necessarily mean what you ascribe to it.

^^^ I've seen Forbidden Planet!

:) I think all Star Trek fans should watch Forbidden Planet - it might provide some... insight.

:techman:
Really amazing, the parallels. It's like Roddenberry cribbed the entire thing to create Trek.
 
Let me also point out George Lucas's recent snide remarks about the new Trek movie that came at the end of him answering that he enjoyed the movie. The interviewer asked him something to the effect of " Would you have done anything different with Star Trek?" To which he responded " No because I'd never do a Trek". Wow really George? Trek apparently isn't good enough for your talents? I say GOOD. I would never want him writing anything Trek to begin with. He sucks out loud and gets far too much credit for Star Wars success in general.
He's so fucking talented - I've just got two words for Lucas: JarJarFuckingBinks Bitch. :devil:
 
Does Lucas actually go to the trouble of reviling Trek? If so, I wish he would just stay above that.
 
Given his recent track record, I am GLAD Lucas wouldn't do a Star Trek film!

Can you say four (American Graffitti, Episode IV, Episode V, and Raiders of the Lost Ark!) good movies boys and girls?

IMHO, his last good film was released in 1981.
 
Given his recent track record, I am GLAD Lucas wouldn't do a Star Trek film!

Can you say four (American Graffitti, Episode IV, Episode V, and Raiders of the Lost Ark!) good movies boys and girls?

IMHO, his last good film was released in 1981.
You forgot Howard the duck... :lol:
 
Given his recent track record, I am GLAD Lucas wouldn't do a Star Trek film!

Can you say four (American Graffitti, Episode IV, Episode V, and Raiders of the Lost Ark!) good movies boys and girls?

IMHO, his last good film was released in 1981.

He didn't direct EP V and Raiders. Good producer, amateurish director. Cannot direct actors to save his life.
 
Given his recent track record, I am GLAD Lucas wouldn't do a Star Trek film!

Can you say four (American Graffitti, Episode IV, Episode V, and Raiders of the Lost Ark!) good movies boys and girls?

IMHO, his last good film was released in 1981.

He didn't direct EP V and Raiders. Good producer, amateurish director. Cannot direct actors to save his life.

Yeah, I was just trying to find anything good he was connected with...not so much his direction. He produced a lot of shite too.
 
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