What?!? You actually stayed in the theater for the whole movie?
You know what they say "In for a penny, in for a pound"...
At the time, I was starved for entertainment -- it was horrible though.
Why George Lucas is a pompous ass, and copied Star Trek..
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You know what they say "In for a penny, in for a pound"...
At the time, I was starved for entertainment -- it was horrible though.
Wow, some of you people really don't know film history.... hmmm let's see. Directed, THX-1138 and American Graffiti (both hailed by critics as two of the finest films of their era).
If you're going to blame him for Howard the Duck (which Lucas only came in at the last minute at the request of Universal Pictures due to problems with the production), then you have to give him equal credit for one of the finest films from the 1980s, Body Heat. For that film he came in at the request of director Lawrence Kasdan who was having troubles with the production and more importantly editing the film. Although he is uncredited, Lucas is generally regarded as having a huge hand in the film and essentially edited the film himself.
Yeah, he's sooooo amatuerish
PS Oh, and if you ever get a chance to see his early documentary, "Filmmaker," which chronicles the making of Francis Ford Coppola, "The Rain People," I would highly recommend it.
Yancy
Wow, some of you people really don't know film history.... hmmm let's see. Directed, THX-1138 and American Graffiti (both hailed by critics as two of the finest films of their era).
If you're going to blame him for Howard the Duck (which Lucas only came in at the last minute at the request of Universal Pictures due to problems with the production), then you have to give him equal credit for one of the finest films from the 1980s, Body Heat. For that film he came in at the request of director Lawrence Kasdan who was having troubles with the production and more importantly editing the film. Although he is uncredited, Lucas is generally regarded as having a huge hand in the film and essentially edited the film himself.
Yeah, he's sooooo amatuerish
PS Oh, and if you ever get a chance to see his early documentary, "Filmmaker," which chronicles the making of Francis Ford Coppola, "The Rain People," I would highly recommend it.
Yancy
I never said he directed Episode V or Raiders. I was listing films he was linked to that I liked.
I was probably watching Star Wars in the theater when you were in diapers -- or before you were a twinkle in your parent's eyes.
Sadly, he's either produced or directed nothing but shite since 1981 -- in my opinion of course.
Only Episode III comes close to anything he was involved in 1981 or prior...but that one also suffers from wooden acting.
With regard to Trek, I do agree Roddenberry lifted quite a bit from Forbidden Planet...but, Lucas lifted from Star Trek, Flash Gordon, and Buck Rogers.
Wow, some of you people really don't know film history.... hmmm let's see. Directed, THX-1138 and American Graffiti (both hailed by critics as two of the finest films of their era).
If you're going to blame him for Howard the Duck (which Lucas only came in at the last minute at the request of Universal Pictures due to problems with the production), then you have to give him equal credit for one of the finest films from the 1980s, Body Heat. For that film he came in at the request of director Lawrence Kasdan who was having troubles with the production and more importantly editing the film. Although he is uncredited, Lucas is generally regarded as having a huge hand in the film and essentially edited the film himself.
Yeah, he's sooooo amatuerish
PS Oh, and if you ever get a chance to see his early documentary, "Filmmaker," which chronicles the making of Francis Ford Coppola, "The Rain People," I would highly recommend it.
Yancy
I never said he directed Episode V or Raiders. I was listing films he was linked to that I liked.
I was probably watching Star Wars in the theater when you were in diapers -- or before you were a twinkle in your parent's eyes.
Wow, bad assumption on your part! BTW that wasn't directed at you, but cmdrbolly, but I quoted the wrong article.
Yancy
Wow, some of you people really don't know film history.... hmmm let's see. Directed, THX-1138 and American Graffiti (both hailed by critics as two of the finest films of their era).
If you're going to blame him for Howard the Duck (which Lucas only came in at the last minute at the request of Universal Pictures due to problems with the production), then you have to give him equal credit for one of the finest films from the 1980s, Body Heat. For that film he came in at the request of director Lawrence Kasdan who was having troubles with the production and more importantly editing the film. Although he is uncredited, Lucas is generally regarded as having a huge hand in the film and essentially edited the film himself.
Yeah, he's sooooo amatuerish
PS Oh, and if you ever get a chance to see his early documentary, "Filmmaker," which chronicles the making of Francis Ford Coppola, "The Rain People," I would highly recommend it.
Yancy
I never said he directed Episode V or Raiders. I was listing films he was linked to that I liked.
I was probably watching Star Wars in the theater when you were in diapers -- or before you were a twinkle in your parent's eyes.
Wow, bad assumption on your part! BTW that wasn't directed at you, but cmdrbolly, but I quoted the wrong article.
Yancy
Sorry then...I guess I assumed you were commenting on me because bolly had incorrectly assumed I was naming Lucas as director on Episode V and Raiders.
Wow, some of you people really don't know film history.... hmmm let's see. Directed, THX-1138 and American Graffiti (both hailed by critics as two of the finest films of their era).
If you're going to blame him for Howard the Duck (which Lucas only came in at the last minute at the request of Universal Pictures due to problems with the production), then you have to give him equal credit for one of the finest films from the 1980s, Body Heat. For that film he came in at the request of director Lawrence Kasdan who was having troubles with the production and more importantly editing the film. Although he is uncredited, Lucas is generally regarded as having a huge hand in the film and essentially edited the film himself.
Yeah, he's sooooo amatuerish
Yancy
Lucas has been on record that he considers himself more of an editor than a director. You only have to watch his movies and you can see that directing is honestly not his strongest suit. Especially if one considers the more standard H'wood definition of a director as someone who works with the actors, because his work with actors, yes even in EP IV, is pretty basic.
It's been said that Lucas' idea of critiquing a film he's produced but not directed is to offer said director a new Lucas edited version of the film. As a matter of fact, that was the turnabout the 'Phantom Editor' used when he re-edited Ep 1 and 2 ( for the better, I might add. Not much, but hey, he's an Editor, not a Magician! One can only do so much with footage directed by a hack).
The prequels, which he's had decades to pore over and massage ( not to mention pretty unlimited budgets) are testament to his incredibly useless skills as a director - from in his inability to shape the pitch of performances to his tin ear for dialogue.
It would have been one thing if EP1 was shite due to the years away from actual directing , only to have have him pick it up as the trilogy progressed; but that lame-assed pull back on Anikin - 'Noooooooooooo!' - in Ep3 clearly demonstrated that he'd not progressed past the point of the Jean Claude Van Damme school of filmmaking.
Spielberg, for all his lapses in taste, kills Lucas in the directing department.
Lucas is a good filmmaker (THX-1138 is stunning Sci-Fi, and American Graffiti are two movies I always love watching, not matter when they're on and at what point I catch them on TV), but in the years after Episode IV, he seemed to slowly believe all the almost religious praise heaped upon him from critics and fans too much, and took too much control of his movies, much to his and his movies' detriment.
No, although I'm sure he could use the shower of dribble you typed to clean his windows with.
Apologies- I assumed when you said you didn't want Lucas 'to do ST', you meant in the capacity of Director a la Abrams.
Hasn't it already been established that George Lucas is a pompous ass?
Me, neither.
So much of what you say about why Star Wars was made is so far off the mark ... Trek was revived because of the success of Star Wars, not the other way around.
--Ted
Star Wars was an awesome franchise. At least, when it was only three movies. Once The Phantom Menace came out, it just got bad. Attack of the Clones was an improvement, but it was still hard to watch. It wasn't until Revenge of the Sith that Lucas was able to recapture some of that original trilogy magic, but by then the prequel trilogy was done and prequels were given a bad name.
I try not to compare Star Trek and Star Wars. They're two completely different monsters and they always will be. I love Star Wars for its mythical, fantasy-like adventure storytelling, and I love Star Trek for its fun, colorful characters and its ability to make me think about what I'm watching. I like them for two very different reasons. I love the new Trek movie and definitely feel that's how you make a prequel. It definitely blows any of the Star Wars prequels out of the water.
I think that's the only way you can compare the franchises, though, is by individual movies. You can't compare the overall franchises with each other, that's just impossible.
I try not to compare Star Trek and Star Wars. They're two completely different monsters and they always will be. I love Star Wars for its mythical, fantasy-like adventure storytelling, and I love Star Trek for its fun, colorful characters and its ability to make me think about what I'm watching. I like them for two very different reasons. I love the new Trek movie and definitely feel that's how you make a prequel. It definitely blows any of the Star Wars prequels out of the water.
I think that's the only way you can compare the franchises, though, is by individual movies. You can't compare the overall franchises with each other, that's just impossible.
I will say this, ANH(SW) vs TMP(ST) is no contest.
For anybody to say that 1979 movie was or even is better than the one from 1977, is laughable, not even worth discussing.
I saw both at the theaters during their original runs.
It can't be debated as far as I see it.
I like Trek, but come on, your emotionally blinded if you think that movie even comes close to ANH. ANH was still playing in 78 and Trek came out only one year later.
For anybody to say that 1979 movie was or even is better than the one from 1977, is laughable, not even worth discussing.
I saw both at the theaters during their original runs.
It can't be debated as far as I see it.
I like Trek, but come on, your emotionally blinded if you think that movie even comes close to ANH. ANH was still playing in 78 and Trek came out only one year later.
Talk about comparing apples and oranges...
Hey: I have another question: Who really cares?
Answer: I don't.
I like both Star Trek and Star Wars: Both have their highs, and both have their lows.
(sigh...)
Howabout the next irrelevant thread be a: Harry Potter vs Star Trek?
or howabout: Battlestar Galactica vs Star Trek?
Well the film has been out for a few weeks now, so it's not surprising that someone wouldn't be able to resist scraping the sediment out of the bitch barrel.
Yup. They both took ideas from each other.
That's right about whetting the pallete...and the 70s conventions; you're right about that---Trek primed the pump for Star Wars---sort of like Muddy Waters primed the pump for Led Zeppelin. But who do most people listen to?
Wow, some of you people really don't know film history.... hmmm let's see. Directed, THX-1138 and American Graffiti (both hailed by critics as two of the finest films of their era).
If you're going to blame him for Howard the Duck (which Lucas only came in at the last minute at the request of Universal Pictures due to problems with the production), then you have to give him equal credit for one of the finest films from the 1980s, Body Heat. For that film he came in at the request of director Lawrence Kasdan who was having troubles with the production and more importantly editing the film. Although he is uncredited, Lucas is generally regarded as having a huge hand in the film and essentially edited the film himself.
Yeah, he's sooooo amatuerish
PS Oh, and if you ever get a chance to see his early documentary, "Filmmaker," which chronicles the making of Francis Ford Coppola, "The Rain People," I would highly recommend it.
Yancy
Yes, people can't dismiss American Graffiti. The problem with the prequels is NOT that they were amateurishly directed. People like to use these high brow statements.
People just didn't like them. They didn't like his choices. I'd say this, it was like Lucas was stuck in 1977. Which he probably is----think about it.
The prequels started off with politically incorrect ideas and concepts. (someone not up to date on pc rules)
The voice of Jar-Jar; a choice that diverged in the woods made all the difference or could have IMO.
Jake Lloyd was directed like an actor from 1976; not a big deal back then; but in our post-modern world with "I see dead people" method acting for Haley Joel Osmond or whoever---it just didn't fly. But, it was really a style choice. Everything now a days is very stylized and dramatically filmed...a certain style that Lucas hasn't delved into. It's very emotional.
The "Noooooo" in Ep. 3 is a good example. You could find dozens of scenes like that in any "well-made" and "acclaimed" film prior to 1977.
"Star Wars" is a fantastic movie. Singular.
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