It's ''fans'' like this, that make trekkie's LOOK bad!

[M'Sharak]

Ex Astris Scientia is a great and useful site which has been around for many years and I hope it will continue to be; more than a few of its contributors are and have been members of TrekBBS. However, anyone who's been paying any attention at all is aware that Bernd has been rather... reluctant to accept this movie as being part of the same whole as the the rest of what's been seen on-screen under the "Star Trek" label. He's hardly alone, in that respect, and he may be a little more earnest about it than some, but I think he's entitled to his opinion and, quite frankly, it's his website; as such, it's perfectly reasonable that it should reflect his opinions and positions. Everyone else is welcome to hold their own.

Has James Dixon weighed in yet? He is ALWAYS fun. I remember him actually threatening to slice someone's throat back when Enterprise premiered.

I could really do without ever seeing another James Dixon meltdown, to be honest. Those just aren't very pretty.

 

[dru]

My eyes just glazed over looking at that wall of text.

so true!!

 

[Falconfire]

Ex Astris Scientia is a great and useful site which has been around for many years and I hope it will continue to be; more than a few of its contributors are and have been members of TrekBBS. However, anyone who's been paying any attention at all is aware that Bernd has been rather... reluctant to accept this movie as being part of the same whole as the the rest of what's been seen on-screen under the "Star Trek" label. He's hardly alone, in that respect, and he may be a little more earnest about it than some, but I think he's entitled to his opinion and, quite frankly, it's his website; as such, it's perfectly reasonable that it should reflect his opinions and positions. Everyone else is welcome to hold their own.

Has James Dixon weighed in yet? He is ALWAYS fun. I remember him actually threatening to slice someone's throat back when Enterprise premiered.

I could really do without ever seeing another James Dixon meltdown, to be honest. Those just aren't very pretty.

Well to be fair, Bernd has been reluctant to accept ANYTHING post DS9.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'll give the guy credit for being a Master Nitpicker...but dayum. That is just TOO much shit to consider or care about.

 

[Ethros]

Nice read, basically sums up why I think the movie would have been a lot better if had just been a plain & simple reboot from the get go (ala Batman Begins, nuBSG for example), then no one would have any such problems at all.

But they seemed to want to slap Leonard Nimoy in there and so wrote the mess of a plot around getting him in there somehow

 

[Mordock]

So help me, I read that list, and I agree that yes, those are all inconsistencies with established Trek lore.

Where I part company with Mr. Schneider is in my opinion that the tactic of establishing an alternate timeline covers a multitude of sins, and that those inconsistencies don't really matter.

 

[cooleddie74]

Ex-astris is one of my three favorite TREK sites along with this BBS and Memory-Alpha.

 

[Aragorn]

In point of fact there are more "die hard" trek fans railing against ST-XI--for often contradictory and illogical reasons--than there are casual/non-trek fans who find the movie otherwise splendid.

Why do people like to make up random stuff out of thin air and call them facts?

 

[Ethros]

Why do people like to make up random stuff out of thin air and call them facts?

Worked for Orci & Kurtzman

Spoiler: ^

, that's more of a joke than anything, before all you Trek XI lovers get all riled up

 

[Ghrakh]

He shouldn't quit his day job. If he has one.

He has one. Cleaning his room/mom's basement and taking out the trash. "Don't forget the recyclables!"- mom in Galaxy Quest

Q: What is your location and profession?
A: I studied electrical engineering and then got an assignment as a research assistant at the Institute for Semiconductor Electronics, University of Siegen, Germany, for five years. After successfully defending my Ph.D. thesis I am now working as a team leader in analog integrated circuit design in Düsseldorf.

 

[mythicdove]

I went to the link and read about 2 sentences and gave up.

 

[Roshi]

Q: What is your location and profession?
A: I studied electrical engineering and then got an assignment as a research assistant at the Institute for Semiconductor Electronics, University of Siegen, Germany, for five years. After successfully defending my Ph.D. thesis I am now working as a team leader in analog integrated circuit design in Düsseldorf.

Omigod!!! It's German Sheldon!!!1!!

 

[Warped9]

^^ True, and I can't argue that, but what it came down to is that I got nothing from this film because it was all adrenalin and no smarts. And that's not enough for me. It doesn't give me enough for what I like in a good Star Trek adventure.

For me, the only one that really did was TMP--indisputably the smartest Trek movie on record. The thing is, I thoroughly enjoyed the Wrath of Khan for all of the same reasons I enjoyed ST-XI and all of the reasons I enjoyed about thirty minutes of Nemesis. Sometimes, you just want to see some starships Thrown Down.

Anyway, sometimes smarts is overrated. I'd rather watch Jim Kirk bludgeon people with his fists than with a mouthful of treknobabble.

Kirk was never one to indulge in technobabble.

 

[Haggis and tatties]

My eyes just glazed over looking at that wall of text.

Ditto.

 

[Ethros]

^ People keep saying this. Is this because you didn't want to read all of something you weren't that interested in? Or simply beause you can't read a few paragraphs of text? The way you're all saying it it sounds like the latter.
It's all bullet pointed, it's not one super huge neverending sentence. If you don't like looking at text I hope none of you try reading these things called "books"

 

[Flake]

Instead of complaining about the differences and plot holes, why don't we try to fix & explain them instead.

For example: Transwarp Beaming. Scotty was working on this his entire life and was never able to get it work until after the Enterprise-D found him in the 24th century. Now retired and with a huge amount of free time he finally found a way to perfect the equations he had started on over a 100 years earlier.

In 2405 Montgomery Scott was given the Daystrom institutes highest honour when he demonstrated how transwarp beaming can be performed up to several light-years with ease by remodulating the subspace emitters.

Intrigued by the discovery, Spock looked up his old friend and researched the theories to help Scotty perfect them.

Transwarp beaming dilemma solved.

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

In 2405 Montgomery Scott was given the Daystrom institutes highest honour when he demonstrated how transwarp beaming can be performed up to several light-years with ease by remodulating the subspace emitters.

Spock came from the year 2387. You just created an inconsistency/plot hole.

 

[Flake]

In 2405 Montgomery Scott was given the Daystrom institutes highest honour when he demonstrated how transwarp beaming can be performed up to several light-years with ease by remodulating the subspace emitters.

Spock came from the year 2387. You just created an inconsistency/plot hole.

I thought the countdown comics where set in the 25th century, whats the source of that 2387 date? :P

 

[M'Sharak]

^ People keep saying this. Is this because you didn't want to read all of something you weren't that interested in? Or simply beause you can't read a few paragraphs of text? The way you're all saying it it sounds like the latter.
It's all bullet pointed, it's not one super huge neverending sentence. If you don't like looking at text I hope none of you try reading these things called "books"

To be fair, it could have benefited from simple formatting improvements such as line breaks between paragraphs, and margins would have been nice. It's also been pointed out the white text against black background is not ideal for eye-strain reasons. Finally, most of it isn't anything which hasn't been said here over and over already; it could as easily be that quality which would cause a reader's eyes to glaze over.

It also sounds here as if you're insulting other posters' reading ability. Might want to skip that sort of cheap shot.

 

[Garrovick]

I could really do without ever seeing another James Dixon meltdown, to be honest. Those just aren't very pretty.

Mr. Dixon has been out of the main stream for years... 17 was his last. Which I still have some where.

It's a shame that some "fans" have used this movie to attack more than 40 years of Trek history.