Orci & Kurtzman on plot holes
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Nero's ship looked far more advanced than where we think Klingon vessels are by the time of Nero's arrival.
Lower our time frame a little and make it the WWI era. Would the biplane-flying German government of that era be able to repair and fuel and fly a seriously-damaged 767?
I don't think so.
Joe, who doesn't think so
so, Winona's a Starfleet officer by allusion to her being off-planet? what only Starfleet officers go off-planet?
It's great to know that the film was so well written that the writers had to specifically address 11 giant plot holes so that we would know what was going on.
Meh, most of these 11 giant plot holes aren't really plot holes anyway.
And by impressive you mean impossible. It would be forever descending into the black hole after passing the event horizon, from an outsider's persepctive, due to the extreme warping of time caused by the black hole. Of course, warp drive is totally implausible too, so I'll choose to buy their explanation!
Better than shooting the event horizon to escape from it, a la Voyager.
Obviously, the pipe is made of transparent aluminum.
In the first draft of the script, it's noted that that pipe was actually coming directly from Spock's toilet.
It says Vulcans shit an average of 6.428 kilograms of feces at a time, and the engineering staff is shown making vile comments as it flows by.
Joe, noted Trek 2009 historian
This is more like "Orci & Kurtzman discuss things I didn't agree with in the film" rather than 'plot holes.'
They also have blue urine, which explains the color of the pipes.
I realise I was being obtuse, but I actually didn't think of this analogy before.
You're right.
What an absolute load of horseshit that was. Apparently the Klingons were good enough to repair the Narada so Nero could recapture it... Kirk finding Spock was "fate." The prize definitely goes to Nero's mining ship being "designed" to travel though black holes. I guess that's no crazier than a detonation in the vaccum of space generating momentum... enough for the Enterprise to escape the pull of a back hole no less.
Enterprise rode the shock wave of the core detonation. The gravity pull of the forming "artificial" black hole was not that strong yet. And probably would only have the gravitational pull of the collapsed Narada, anyway. The shockwave, at least half of it was on the far side of the BH and sent the Enterprise on it's way. Plus we don't know what's stronger, the gravitational pull of an artificially created black hole or an explosion created when matter and anti-matter are combined.
A shockwave requires a medium such as air. There is no matter of consequence in the vacuum of space.
I almost wrote that into the original post but since Scotty was the one to 'invent' it when they time traveled back in TVH that never occurred. It could still be transparent aluminum that was invented by someone else, but this is non pressurized, plain water (otherwise Scotty is actually Superman, but I digress). Why use it when normal aluminum would have sufficed?
It's just a Hollywood standard operating procedure to sacrifice plot for a gag and leave anyone with an IQ higher than that of lightly burnt toast scratching their head. ST used to be above this kind of thing (well, mostly).
Given 25 years to study it? Not the computers, but the engines and fuel, maybe.
But the larger point is, technological progression isn't a straight line. where any span of 125 years will do. In fact, if we look at the standbys of treknology, there's a good chance all the basic principles would be known already. In both time periods, the primary FTL drive system is warp, the primary sublight drive system is impulse, the primary power source is matter-antimatter annihilation, the primary defensive tech are shields. Sounds like the differences are mostly a matter of engineering, scale, and materials.
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