'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XI

[Rii]

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I hate to butt in here, but I'm a bit lost (and British). Do you think he can't relate because he's British and the US has, for lack of a better term, the market cornered on racism?

"Our minorities make up a higher proportion of the total population than yours do!"

Wait a minute...

 

[zambingo]

I really love all this veiwpoints from you men bitching about feminists who are bitching...because you're all missing the point point point. Maybe you can't GET the point because ur men....

Again my main complaint is not the uhura bra scene... I mean LOL that's pretty tame compared to even just the music video that are out.......but that coupled w/ this ridiculous affair -- I just don't think this character is getting the respect she deserves. I'm not saying that she should just say "hailing frequencies open capt"...lord no...she finally has a real role !!!!!!! And what the fuck do they have her doing...RIGHT AWAY...in a got damn romantic lead...right away...couldn't even wait for the next movie. That's my main gripe.

While I can certainly agree that it gets tedious to have needless sex scenes in Trek, let alone most other stories. And while I can agree that women are targeted more often for these tedious attempts at selling to certain demographics. I can't agree that this Uhura was any worse than Uhura Prime. Some other users here have pointed out how Uhura has flirted with Spock in TOS and that Uhura was just a very sexual person anyway. Of course I, like some others I am sure, would have preferred Nurse Chapel to be the one finally getting some attention from Spock, but hey I'm not in control of the franchise.

Also, I bolded part of that quote to highlight my primary reason for registering, I've been a lurker for several days. You may not have chosen the best words, perhaps, so I will grant you that... maybe your emotions in the moment got the better of you... I dunno, I don't know you. But just on what is there I find it to be very amusing seeing such a sexist statement given the topic of this thread.

I do not mean this as a slam. What a lousy first post that would be! No. No slam intended. That bolded part just made me LOL so much. Remember I said I can concede several of your points, it's just that sentence hit me in the funny bone pretty hard. Basically I'm just trying to say LOL, but make it clear I'm making no slam on your person or judgement etc. That just cracked me up.

PEACE

 

[Squiggy]

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That pussycat should smile more.

Probably her time of the month.

 

[theFirebottle]

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1.5) Her knowledge and skill are one of the many cast contributions that saves the Enterprise.

Uh, when?

Her knowledge of the Klingon fleet getting wiped out is combined with Kirk's knowledge of the characteristic phenomenon of the Narada to elucidate just what the hell is going on. Furthermore, her knowledge of "all three" Romulan dialects (leaving aside how absurd it is for an entire sapient species to have just one language with just three dialects -- pardon my tangent, but humans have 6000 distinct languages and uncountable dialects and many sci-fi writers are clueless about how linguistic diversity works) contributes to the Enterprise not getting blow'd up before Kirk even gets a chance to... um, get the shit kicked out of him (again). (I'm totally joking, Kirk is still the hero .)

I might be forgetting some specifics, I haven't gotten a chance to see the movie again (and again) yet.

 

[M'Sharak]

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Re-opening.

Everyone, please try to behave. Even Cakes.

 

[Immolatus]

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at least The Menagerie's radiated Pike

can't blame the man for that. but Jeffery Hunter was a very handsome man. My Mom loved his eyes.

 

[trampledamage]

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1.5) Her knowledge and skill are one of the many cast contributions that saves the Enterprise.

Uh, when?

Her knowledge of the Klingon fleet getting wiped out is combined with Kirk's knowledge of the characteristic phenomenon of the Narada to elucidate just what the hell is going on. Furthermore, her knowledge of "all three" Romulan dialects (leaving aside how absurd it is for an entire sapient species to have just one language with just three dialects -- pardon my tangent, but humans have 6000 distinct languages and uncountable dialects and many sci-fi writers are clueless about how linguistic diversity works) contributes to the Enterprise not getting blow'd up before Kirk even gets a chance to... um, get the shit kicked out of him (again). (I'm totally joking, Kirk is still the hero .)

I might be forgetting some specifics, I haven't gotten a chance to see the movie again (and again) yet.

Not to mention the fact that Uhura's able to figure out that Kirk says "Romulan" when his tongue's all swollen

(in answer to your tangent, maybe what she meant was 'the three dialects that we know about')

 

[anothertrekfan]

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When did Star Trek XII come out?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

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army.
2. Uhura has an underwear scene.
Then the writers give her an underwear scene. Yup, that's right, the sexy linguist in her underwear. Don't worry, don't be frightened by her awesome language skills, you can see her in her hot underwear, too, and remember that she's just some hot girl that all the cool guys want. *sarcasm*

Well also..

Kirk has an underwear scene. Yup,that's right, the sexy starship captain in his underwear. Don't worry, don't be frightened by his awesome aptitude scores, you can see him in his hot underwear, too, and remember he's just some hot guy that all the cool girls want. *sarcasm*

 

[BrownShatner]

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I don't know if anyone still cares about the OP on page 12, but...

It's a fair criticism that Hollywood movies often have no roles for women, except the romantic interest. (And how could anyone disagree that Uhura was the romantic interest - Kirk was drooling on her for the whole movie!)

However, they were remaking Star Trek TOS.
TOS was a show built around three men's friendship.
There were some underlings too, but they were also mostly men.
There is already seven 'main' characters, it's difficult to throw in Chapel or Rand too.

Given the source material, I would say that it would be almost impossible to imagine a "Star Trek" with a stronger female character than the new Uhura.

I suppose they could have turned Chekhov into a woman or something. (Maybe a blonde russian with huge nacelles ) But that probably would have ended up seeming very strained.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

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Or a new character, but that would reek of Mid-90s animated series-style retooling.

Classic characters everyone knows and loves who are icons? Check. Add spunky female character. Check.

 

[theFirebottle]

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If I recall, Roddenberry wanted the Enterprise crew to be equal parts men and women, but executive meddling cut down the proportion of female crew.

One solution for a potential series would be to make the (one hopes will be strikingly well-written, interesting, and diverse) supporting character crew members half men and half women -- but, cry the feminists, why are the people in charge all men?! My next solution will be to have a recurring gag/plot complication be Starfleet trying to rebalance the crew by transferring people out and around while the core crew desperately resists! It would be a fun way to fulfill Roddenberry's ideal while still poking fun at the PC fanatics and not meddling too much with the original character dynamics.

The last thing they should do is add in a token female character. Given the nature of television these days, even if we all have great faith in our revived franchise, there'll always be network executives out there just waiting to exploit her for sex appeal and ratings grabs.

Plus, I agree with

Given the source material, I would say that it would be almost impossible to imagine a "Star Trek" with a stronger female character than the new Uhura.

for all of the reasons I've already talked about.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

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They could've always made Kirk himself a woman, just like they did with Starbuck on Battlestar Galactica. Though I'd bet some fans would get even more pissed off over that then they are right now.

 

[Hermiod]

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[Ok but I'd be surprised to find out that the UK has a higher black/minority population than the USA. Like I said we've come along way but just this week I heard disparaging remarks from other whites about blacks....I guess they think that because I'm white I'm immediatley OK with that kind of talk... I still don't think that you can fully relate about discrimination -- and you think you can...so let's just agree to disagree on it.

I hate to butt in here, but I'm a bit lost (and British). Do you think he can't relate because he's British and the US has, for lack of a better term, the market cornered on racism?

Just curious as it seemed a little odd.

Given her earlier comments about tea and scones, I think she has a rather skewed view of the United Kingdom.

What the author of the article in the OP basically wants is nothing but Mary Sue characters, females who are the best at everything, (She's brilliant at linguistics, but she chooses not to get into a bar fight so she's a wuss? A few of the author's values slipping through there.) And point three ^ above is the clincher - for all Kirk's "womanising", he doesn't get this girl. She isn't 'won over by his charm', or any similar thing that you could make a legitimate gripe about. She turns him down flat every time, makes him look like a crass idiot, and goes for Spock, playing her feelings for him beautifully.

Given the amount of such Mary Sue characters in the media, I'm glad Uhura wasn't presented as such. If this person wants Mary Sues she should watch Dollhouse. I, on the other hand, will just enjoy watching Zoe Saldana play Uhura.

That's the impression she left me with after I was done watching the film, she was playing the Uhura I know. I can't think of a way to give Saldana a greater compliment.

 

[Amaris]

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I am a man.
I liked seeing Bra & Panty Uhura.
I liked seeing bikini Orion Girl.

I didn't see Uhura as a victim, I didn't see her as a sex object (ok, well not only), I didn't see her as helpless, not one time. Instead, I saw an intelligent, stubborn, ambitious woman who was free to choose her own path without being pressed down by a patriarchal society. That's the Nyota Uhura I saw.

J.

 

[Hermiod]

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I am a man.
I liked seeing Bra & Panty Uhura.
I liked seeing bikini Orion Girl.

That's your problem right there. As a man you are no longer allowed to have a sex drive. Finding women attractive demeans them, didn't you know that ?

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

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I am a man.
I liked seeing Bra & Panty Uhura.
I liked seeing bikini Orion Girl.

That's your problem right there. As a man you are no longer allowed to have a sex drive. Finding women attractive demeans them, didn't you know that ?

Indeed.

Women are not sexual objects. Their breasts are only for feeding infants. You don't want to go near their private parts; there be demons there that'll eat your bones. They never see men as sexual objects either. Certainly not someone to have sex with. Women don't have sex at all; they only copulate; it's never fun for them. Sex is only for dominating the women, therefore it should be banished. Totally. Unless the women want a child, then they'll put up with it, even though they don't like it.

You cannot look at a woman's face, cleavage, butt, legs or any other part of their body you find even remotely sexually attractive. It's best to look at their toes only when speaking to them, otherwise you're disrespecting them.

An attractive woman can never be intelligent or successful. The less attractive they are, the more intelligent they must be. You must only love them for their inner personality, not their looks, or you disrespect their intelligence. They only love men for their inner personality too.

Miniskirts should be banished. As should all skirt, tanktops, dresses, high heels, panties and good looking underwear. All clothing should be functional only. Clothing is not supposed to make one attractive; it's only supposed to protect against bad weather. Men shouldn't clothe attractive either.

A woman does not shave her legs to be more attractive; they shave them because they collect the hairs and make little hairsculptures out of them. Actually, women who shave their legs aren't real women at all. Real women leave all their hair as is, even when it's long enough to braid. Men shouldn't either; they should be hairy and strong, for their only function in life is to catch food.

Women are the source behind all technological evolution; everything points to the fact that technology doesn't exist to make our life better. Technology exists only for the sole purpose of one day being able to grow children out of test tubes within a day. When that day has come, every woman should kill their man. When that's done, they should kill all other men as well. Then there will be no more wars, no more disagreements and humanity will finally be enlightened.

You see, women have a plan.

 

[Amaris]

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I am a man.
I liked seeing Bra & Panty Uhura.
I liked seeing bikini Orion Girl.

That's your problem right there. As a man you are no longer allowed to have a sex drive. Finding women attractive demeans them, didn't you know that ?

I am a man.
I liked seeing Bra & Panty Uhura.
I liked seeing bikini Orion Girl.

That's your problem right there. As a man you are no longer allowed to have a sex drive. Finding women attractive demeans them, didn't you know that ?

Indeed. Women are not sexual objects. Their breasts are only for feeding infants. You don't want to go near their private parts; there be demons there that'll eat your bones. They never see men as sexual objects either. Certainly not someone to have sex with. Women don't have sex at all; they only copulate; it's never fun for them. Sex is only for dominating the women, therefore it should be banished. Totally. Unless the women want a child, then they'll put up with it, even though they don't like it. You cannot look at a woman's face, cleavage, butt, legs or any other part of their body you find even remotely sexually attractive. It's best to look at their toes only when speaking to them, otherwise you're disrespecting them. An attractive woman can never be intelligent or successful. The less attractive they are, the more intelligent they must be. You must only love them for their inner personality, not their looks, or you disrespect their intelligence. They only love men for their inner personality too.

If it weren't for the sarcasm, I'd cry.

J.

 

[Hermiod]

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Indeed. Women are not sexual objects. Their breasts are only for feeding infants. You don't want to go near their private parts; there be demons there that'll eat your bones. They never see men as sexual objects either. Certainly not someone to have sex with. Women don't have sex at all; they only copulate; it's never fun for them. Sex is only for dominating the women, therefore it should be banished. Totally. Unless the women want a child, then they'll put up with it, even though they don't like it. You cannot look at a woman's face, cleavage, butt, legs or any other part of their body you find even remotely sexually attractive. It's best to look at their toes only when speaking to them, otherwise you're disrespecting them. An attractive woman can never be intelligent or successful. The less attractive they are, the more intelligent they must be. You must only love them for their inner personality, not their looks, or you disrespect their intelligence. They only love men for their inner personality too.

Yep, future of the human race be damned. Just to be safe, I suggest all women should where burqas to protect themselves from our evil male gaze.

Also, to avoid potentially looking at their toes as men sometimes develop foot fetishes and as we know, allowing yourself to become aroused by any part of a woman's anatomy is demeaning to that woman, I suggest not talking to women at all.

In fact, we'll just draw a big line through the planet and each gender can stay on their side just to be safe.

 

[Amaris]

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Who is with me on night raids across the line?


J.