'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XI

[Cakes488]

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2) I will agree with you that men get fucked at custody/divorce hearings...but you can't compare that with the plight of minorities...that pales in comparision....

I can and will make that comparison. In fact, ethnic minority men do even worse at custody hearings.

4) In order to realize something I would need to know what the word meant...and we alllllllll know that I have no idea what acronym means...I mean I can't spell and write the queens english and you expect me to know the meaning of this hard word? How bout you figure this akronim out: WDYGFU. Yeah it's one Star Trek movie titles as an anagram....yeah that's what it is!

5) I have no hard feelings towards you. Love Cakes xoxoxooxoxx

As I said, I am happy to leave the issue of spelling and grammar alone.

Ok then we'll just disagree on #2 as well. I mean I agree that if you're black and have a custody hearing then you're really screwed...but black people won't even get apartments rented to them (sometimes...not everybody is a racist)....but then the white couple walks in and sold !

Maybe because you're in England you don't see much of this going on...what percentage of the UK is minorities?

But we do have to stop talking about this now because this is really off off topic and I don't want to get yelled at! (insert crying emoticon here)

I do think you're taking this a tad seriously....why don't you settle down...have some tea, maybe a scone or two and relax...oh and a few hits of weed will do you some good....

 

[miraclefan]

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*sigh* Feminists.

 

[Hermiod]

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Interestingly, a lot of feminists make a big deal about that too. In a lot of ways sexually assaulted men face a lot of adversity that women do not - there just isn't as much of a support system for sexually assaulted men. Plus often complaints of rape by men are taken even less seriously than women. It's quite tragic, actually.

Indeed.

By the way, I'm not being serious about the Kirk/Gaila thing. They're just showing Kirk in character. I'm just pointing out that, as the article has done, it's possible to find things to be offended about, no matter what your sensibilities are, in anything if you try hard enough.

I mean, let's see - there's McCoy too. Why does he have to run away to Starfleet just because he got divorced ? Should I assume that the adversarial, destructive, fault-based divorce system still exists in the 23rd Century ? That's another masculinist issue right there.

Yeah, I know it was tongue in cheek. That's why I initially responded with a joke. But I also figured it's never bad to throw some quasi-insightful thoughts out there. Who knows...maybe somebody on TrekBBS read it and felt a little less persecuted because a few shmucks on this thread understood what was going on. HIGHLY unlikely, but you never know.

That's cool. Just making myself clear.

Really, articles like this one don't help anyone. They just give people who want to address the real discrimination women face a bad name.

 

[Cakes488]

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Oh, sure! I've heard that one before!

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I have to admit...I still have this game! I was always partial to Leo...he had the best weapon...but yeah Donatello wasn't a slouch either...he was just slow.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

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*sigh* Feminists.

You rang?

 

[Hermiod]

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Maybe because you're in England you don't see much of this going on...what percentage of the UK is minorities?

I don't have exact numbers, but it's similar to that of the United States. They come from different countries, of course. The UK is a very diverse nation, perhaps more so than the US.

 

[Trekker4747]

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I have to admit...I still have this game! I was always partial to Leo...he had the best weapon...but yeah Donatello wasn't a slouch either...he was just slow.

I've it on my Wii.

Ralph sucks. Seriously, does he have any use whatsoever?!

 

[Cakes488]

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Maybe because you're in England you don't see much of this going on...what percentage of the UK is minorities?

I don't have exact numbers, but it's similar to that of the United States. They come from different countries, of course. The UK is a very diverse nation, perhaps more so than the US.

Ok but I'd be surprised to find out that the UK has a higher black/minority population than the USA. Like I said we've come along way but just this week I heard disparaging remarks from other whites about blacks....I guess they think that because I'm white I'm immediatley OK with that kind of talk... I still don't think that you can fully relate about discrimination -- and you think you can...so let's just agree to disagree on it.

I Wish a frikkin black person would step in and tell it like it is...I know there are black trekkies...I saw y'all at the theatre so where you at?????

I have to admit...I still have this game! I was always partial to Leo...he had the best weapon...but yeah Donatello wasn't a slouch either...he was just slow.

I've it on my Wii.

Ralph sucks. Seriously, does he have any use whatsoever?!

I have the original NES...yeah it's still workin baby...but ya know I have to give it a blow job constantly...oh womens work is never done!

Who has the nunchucks....they were the worst..is that Raph??

 

[MostlyHarmless1]

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My only beef was the BJ joke, the fact Uhura had to U-whore herself to her teacher to get a place on the ship and that despite having more experience and far more qualified Kirk gets promoted way beyond her. For no apparent reason.

 

[Trekker4747]

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Maybe because you're in England you don't see much of this going on...what percentage of the UK is minorities?

I don't have exact numbers, but it's similar to that of the United States. They come from different countries, of course. The UK is a very diverse nation, perhaps more so than the US.

Ok but I'd be surprised to find out that the UK has a higher black/minority population than the USA. Like I said we've come along way but just this week I heard disparaging remarks from other whites about blacks....I guess they think that because I'm white I'm immediatley OK with that kind of talk... I still don't think that you can fully relate about discrimination -- and you think you can...so let's just agree to disagree on it.

I Wish a frikkin black person would step in and tell it like it is...I know there are black trekkies...I saw y'all at the theatre so where you at?????

I have to admit...I still have this game! I was always partial to Leo...he had the best weapon...but yeah Donatello wasn't a slouch either...he was just slow.

I've it on my Wii.

Ralph sucks. Seriously, does he have any use whatsoever?!

I have the original NES...yeah it's still workin baby...but ya know I have to give it a blow job constantly...oh womens work is never done!

Who has the nunchucks....they were the worst..is that Raph??

Michelangelo had the nunchucks.

Raph had sais (short three-pronged stabbing weapons) he sort of twirled them. Very short-ranged weapons. He sucked.

Mike wasn't a whole lot better, but his weapon at least had *some* range to them.

 

[Trekker4747]

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My only beef was the BJ joke, the fact Uhura had to U-whore herself to her teacher to get a place on the ship and that despite having more experience and far more qualified Kirk gets promoted way beyond her. For no apparent reason.

It depends on how you want to read into that "joke."

It was meant as a double entedre but I doubt it was meant to really imply Uhura had BJ'd Spock for a position as I doubt Spock would be that unethical. She was talk about her abilites as a linguist.

 

[DarthAkuma]

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As to point 1: Uhura was doing just fine in the bar, defending herself against Kirk's verbal onslaught. She came off as a strong, educated woman.

As to point 2: There are sexual references in all movies. Sometimes it's men. Sometimes it's women. Was the scene gratuitous? Yes. But it happens in all movies and it can happen with men and women. Don't be such a victim.

 

[trampledamage]

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I'm going to make an argument here to see if I can rerail the thread.

Uhura initiating a relationship with Spock is just more evidence that she is a fully-formed, well-written female character who should actually appeal strongly to feminists, if they're actually thinking critically rather than reacting viscerally.

Let's examine:
1) She's competent in an intense academic field -- so competent that she was able to excel at Starfleet freakin' Academy, the magnet-school-to-end-all-magnet-schools for geniuses and prodigies. She will probably be a Big Name in the field if she hasn't already published a couple of bombshell papers.

1.5) Her knowledge and skill are one of the many cast contributions that saves the Enterprise. Oh, and it wasn't accidental like Sulu's parking brake error that led to the Enterprise arriving late to the fleet massacre party.

2) She's so confident in her own skin that she can strip down to her skivvies in front of a near-stranger without reacting any differently than she would have fully-clothed.

3) She ignores the extremely attractive protagonist and actively initiates a relationship with a non-human. Talk about boldly going! Most people have a hard time initiating relationships within their own species let alone going after an alien. Nevermind the fact that most humans probably consider Vulcans to be cold, aloof, and unapproachable to begin with.

Does this look like an anti-feminist, throwaway female character to you? Because she looks like a goddamn ROLE MODEL to me!

Very well-written. I agree on all points.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

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As to point 1: Uhura was doing just fine in the bar, defending herself against Kirk's verbal onslaught.

Onslaught? That's a bit of a strong word for a little harmless flirting, don't you think?

 

[Jeyl]

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1.5) Her knowledge and skill are one of the many cast contributions that saves the Enterprise.

Uh, when?

 

[Garak]

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Like any good, self-proclaimed geek, I went out to see the new Star Trek movie this past weekend. It was very enjoyable. The writers put in plenty of tributes to the original series ("I'm a doctor, not a physicist!" lol) as well as some witty lines. The special effects were awesome without being overdone, and the storyline was easy to follow even if you were never a Trekkie.
Also, there weren't *that* many plot holes. I always expect a few plot holes here and there in a movie, but get frustrated when there is one every five minutes. That didn't happen here. Good job, J. J. Abrams.
However, there is one subject that I take issue with. And that is the characterization of Uhura. As many may know, Uhura is famous for being a black woman on the original Star Trek, played by Nichelle Nichols, and also for sharing one of the first interracial kisses with Captain Kirk on tv.
*****SPOILER ALERT!!!!!******
What I don't like about the portrayal of Uhura in the recent Star Trek movie:
1. Uhura can't fight physically.
In the 2009 Star Trek movie, Uhura is cast as an intelligent woman and skilled linguist who adds talent to the crew. She is also cast as a sex pot in a tight skirt!
The first time we meet her in the movie is when Kirk starts hitting on her in the bar and then gets in a fight over her with other space cadets. While the fight is going on, Uhura stands by helplessly in her mini-skirt and her boots, whining, "Stop it, guys. Stop it! Stop it now!" Keep in mind that she's a member of *Starfleet*, which is basically the army.
2. Uhura has an underwear scene.
Then the writers give her an underwear scene. Yup, that's right, the sexy linguist in her underwear. Don't worry, don't be frightened by her awesome language skills, you can see her in her hot underwear, too, and remember that she's just some hot girl that all the cool guys want. *sarcasm*
Really, Abrams? Really, was the underwear scene necessary? I don't think so. I think Kirk could have found out about her Klingon decoding in some other way.

That pussycat should smile more.

 

[jamestyler]

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[Ok but I'd be surprised to find out that the UK has a higher black/minority population than the USA. Like I said we've come along way but just this week I heard disparaging remarks from other whites about blacks....I guess they think that because I'm white I'm immediatley OK with that kind of talk... I still don't think that you can fully relate about discrimination -- and you think you can...so let's just agree to disagree on it.

I hate to butt in here, but I'm a bit lost (and British). Do you think he can't relate because he's British and the US has, for lack of a better term, the market cornered on racism?

Just curious as it seemed a little odd.

 

[Rii]

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How is this thread some 200 posts long? The link isn't a review, and its "feminism" is tame at best. Point #1 is off the mark, Uhura was merely too sensible to get involved, witness also the female officer's intimidation of McCoy on the shuttle. #2 is merely anti-fun, note the intimation that the Orion woman has had many men over, she's not a passive instrument of Kirk's desire, but an autonomous woman in control of her sexuality. #3 is a valid complaint, alas such is life in reinterpreting a show from the 60s. #4 is off the mark of itself, but derived from a reasonable concern regarding the apparent gender balance of Starfleet, such that no unattached women are in evidence.

 

[cultcross]

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I'm going to make an argument here to see if I can rerail the thread.

Uhura initiating a relationship with Spock is just more evidence that she is a fully-formed, well-written female character who should actually appeal strongly to feminists, if they're actually thinking critically rather than reacting viscerally.

Let's examine:
1) She's competent in an intense academic field -- so competent that she was able to excel at Starfleet freakin' Academy, the magnet-school-to-end-all-magnet-schools for geniuses and prodigies. She will probably be a Big Name in the field if she hasn't already published a couple of bombshell papers.

1.5) Her knowledge and skill are one of the many cast contributions that saves the Enterprise. Oh, and it wasn't accidental like Sulu's parking brake error that led to the Enterprise arriving late to the fleet massacre party.

2) She's so confident in her own skin that she can strip down to her skivvies in front of a near-stranger without reacting any differently than she would have fully-clothed.

3) She ignores the extremely attractive protagonist and actively initiates a relationship with a non-human. Talk about boldly going! Most people have a hard time initiating relationships within their own species let alone going after an alien. Nevermind the fact that most humans probably consider Vulcans to be cold, aloof, and unapproachable to begin with.

Does this look like an anti-feminist, throwaway female character to you? Because she looks like a goddamn ROLE MODEL to me!

Very well argued, couldn't agree more.

What the author of the article in the OP basically wants is nothing but Mary Sue characters, females who are the best at everything, (She's brilliant at linguistics, but she chooses not to get into a bar fight so she's a wuss? A few of the author's values slipping through there.) And point three ^ above is the clincher - for all Kirk's "womanising", he doesn't get this girl. She isn't 'won over by his charm', or any similar thing that you could make a legitimate gripe about. She turns him down flat every time, makes him look like a crass idiot, and goes for Spock, playing her feelings for him beautifully.

Uhura in this movie is a fantastically strong female character.

 

[Jeyl]

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As to point 1: Uhura was doing just fine in the bar, defending herself against Kirk's verbal onslaught.

Onslaught? That's a bit of a strong word for a little harmless flirting, don't you think?

No, but the sexual harassment involving groping her chest isn't a plus.