Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

[miraclefan]

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Here are two photos (one being a screencap) that will help in this discussion...Note the arrows pointing to people actually walking on the hull of the ship, and then compare it to the diagram I have included. There is NO way that this ship is 3000 feet long.

Ship being built in drydock...note the figures standing above the deflector and also on the scaffolding underneath the saucer

Now look at this diagram that I pulled off the Ex Astris website...note the size of the people in the diagram and also look at how many shuttles are in the shuttle bay..

I have to admit, this piece of evidence is bugging the HELL outa me! you'd think with all the money spent on this movie that the ILM guys would at least keep things consistent! I dont mind the ship being 2000 feet long, I just wish the outer appearance was more in line (scaleing wise) with the interior!

 

[miraclefan]

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Bernd's having some trouble with this.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/stxi_ships.htm

Though I enjoy his site, he's having trouble with almost anything. He even has trouble with the fact the Enterprise was built in Iowa.

I don't want to look closely. The ship would have to be nearly identical to the TOS Enterprise for me to be acceptable.

What a sad, angry little man.

Ya, I agree he's a SAD little man.

 

[Jessop]

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If authoritative sources such as the people who constructed the CGI model say it is a different size, how can anyone argue? Because the windows are too big? Is there a starfleet regulation that says all windows must be exactly the same size?

 

[zambingo]

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I'm glad that ILM came out and issued what they had estimated the size to be. 2000 feet seems right to me. The windows being bigger than what would be perceived they'd be for that scale doesn't bug me, as another user said... I wasn't aware that Starfleet had regulations saying windows had to be a certain size. lol

As to the ship itself, I can dig it. I kinda wish the saucer section was a little more smooth though. In many ways, imo, it just looks like the Refit/A's saucer pasted onto a new body. It doesn't really flow as much as I'd like. But this is a fairly minor complaint. My last, and still minor complaint, about the new 1701 is I was hoping it'd be gray. Ah well.

 

[dougkeenan]

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If there were regulations, Kirk would break them anyway.

 

[miraclefan]

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If authoritative sources such as the people who constructed the CGI model say it is a different size, how can anyone argue? Because the windows are too big? Is there a starfleet regulation that says all windows must be exactly the same size?

Good point! maybe by NU-Kirks time the windows are ten feet high?

If there were regulations, Kirk would break them anyway.

That he would, That he would!

 

[BenRoethig]

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I was just thinking, the size difference gives a very plausible reason why the ship was built over a decade later. With the Narada on the scene, they scrapped the original constitution class design and built a larger and more powerful ship instead due to the increased threat.

It could also explain the warp core as they might not have been able to build a single core powerful enough with the level of technology, so they devised a system to run a number of smaller core in tandem.

 

[miraclefan]

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I was just thinking, the size difference gives a very plausible reason why the ship was built over a decade later. With the Narada on the scene, they scrapped the original constitution class design and built a larger and more powerful ship instead due to the increased threat.

It could also explain the warp core as they might not have been able to build a single core powerful enough with the level of technology, so they devised a system to run a number of smaller core in tandem.

Works for me!

 

[Peter the Younger]

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I just don't understand how anybody could work on a Star Trek movie and not be aware that fans would want this sort of info. I mean come on, we're psycho, everybody knows that!

 

[Peter the Younger]

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I was just thinking, the size difference gives a very plausible reason why the ship was built over a decade later. With the Narada on the scene, they scrapped the original constitution class design and built a larger and more powerful ship instead due to the increased threat.

It could also explain the warp core as they might not have been able to build a single core powerful enough with the level of technology, so they devised a system to run a number of smaller core in tandem.

Good call!

 

[miraclefan]

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I just don't understand how anybody could work on a Star Trek movie and not be aware that fans would want this sort of info. I mean come on, we're psycho, everybody knows that!

I know!!! WHAT WERE THOSE ILM PEOPLE THINKING?!?

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

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Hmm I've been trying to model this baby... But I'm a bit confused, seeing as I never cared for the old Enterprise all that much.

When taking ILM's size of 725.35 meters, the rim of the saucer is exactly 16 meters high. Do the height of the colored bands signify one deck, or half a deck? If it's the first, each deck is about 3.2 meters high, which seems to make sense. That makes for 5 decks in the rim. If it's the latter, each deck would be a whopping 6.4 meters high, which seems too high. Or does the Enterprise have Jeffries tubes? I seem to recall reading somewhere the old Enterprise didn't.

I do believe in the number ILM gave, though. When assuming any of the other length assumptions, the position and height of the decks go into crazy numbers with lots of decimals. When assuming 725.35 meters, going by the proportions, all numbers are a lot easier. Which make sense, if you're making this model from scratch in a hurry; you don't want to do too much math. The underside of the saucer rim is exactly 14 meters from the centerpiece of the model, the rim is exactly 16 meters high and those are not the only 'easy' numbers I've seen by far. But that could all be just a coincidence.

 

[rgb1701]

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Don't know if this has been posted here yet- best scale comparison of the new 1701 I've seen yet-

http://gizmodo.com/5253324/how-big-is-the-new-enterprise-compared-to-galactica

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/05/enterprise-vs-bsg2.jpg

The new 1701 is beginning to grow on me. I think the new size is an improvement.

 

[Jessop]

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Don't know if this has been posted here yet- best scale comparison of the new 1701 I've seen yet-

http://gizmodo.com/5253324/how-big-is-the-new-enterprise-compared-to-galactica

I like it a lot.

It's wrong. The Galactica is much MUCH longer than that;

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Galactica_type_battlestar

 

[Enterpriserules]

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This where I think it fits, and in the line up looks like a Constition refit itself, a really big one

I like this picture because is shows how silly the nacels of the new ship are. How in the word do those supports hold them up when they are only at the very end? Also the ship looks like someone squished the whole thing.

 

[rgb1701]

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Don't know if this has been posted here yet- best scale comparison of the new 1701 I've seen yet-

http://gizmodo.com/5253324/how-big-is-the-new-enterprise-compared-to-galactica

I like it a lot.

It's wrong. The Galactica is much MUCH longer than that;

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Galactica_type_battlestar

Yes, the digg discussion mentioned that-

http://digg.com/movies/How_Big_Is_the_New_Enterprise_Compared_to_Galactica

Still worthwhile for comparison to the 1701 refit/A and the ISS.

 

[Squiggy]

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This where I think it fits, and in the line up looks like a Constition refit itself, a really big one

I like this picture because is shows how silly the nacels of the new ship are. How in the word do those supports hold them up when they are only at the very end? Also the ship looks like someone squished the whole thing.

Well, it's space so there's no weight to weight down the aft end of the nacelles. So, there's that.

Also, it's the future...so know knows.

But, if you look the forward end of the nacelles, they're much more bulbous, most of the mass could be far enough forward so it would more-or-less balance out.

 

[rgb1701]

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This where I think it fits, and in the line up looks like a Constition refit itself, a really big one

I like this picture because is shows how silly the nacels of the new ship are. How in the word do those supports hold them up when they are only at the very end? Also the ship looks like someone squished the whole thing.

...except the new 1701 is 725m, bigger than the Galaxy *and* the Sovereign.

..and its *Constitution*

 

[Neumann]

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Guys what about the new ships?!?!? I want some picsssss!!!!

There is a three nacelled one, a souped up reliant and a small squashy one which looks like a smal enterprise!

There is another article that states the enterprise being 2000 feet long... that would put the ship at 609 meters.

 

[3D Master]

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I like this picture because is shows how silly the nacels of the new ship are. How in the word do those supports hold them up when they are only at the very end? Also the ship looks like someone squished the whole thing.

Well, it's space so there's no weight to weight down the aft end of the nacelles. So, there's that.

It wasn't built in space.