Biggest Plot Hole?

[McMenemy00]

Genius Holodoc!

As for people liking the movie being a victory for the franchise, what cheapens one of us cheapens us all. They removed the heart, they removed the brain and stuffed it full of random action and tied it together with honestly one of the worst plots in sci fi history. (pages of plot holes in this thread alone)

I like the movie i will repeat again, but Star Trek? Thats not what they were showing where i was.

Since when do two of our main characters fighting for co-operation for the benefit of all races, share a joke as an enemy is being ripped apart by a stellar phenomenon

"It might be the only way to make peace with Romulus someday i thought you would approve." - Kirk

"Not today, no." - Spock

Queue Thundercats belly laughs all round as we fire a full spread of weapons at a ship in distress because it refused our help and harbours a war criminal. Wow there my vote for humanitarian of the year.

 

[David cgc]

I like the movie i will repeat again, but Star Trek? Thats not what they were showing where i was.

Since when do two of our main characters fighting for co-operation for the benefit of all races, share a joke as an enemy is being ripped apart by a stellar phenomenon

And how many times did an episode end with everyone laughing at Spock not getting a joke while that clarinet plays, despite the fact that dozens of crewmates or billions of innocent people have died in the past hour?

I can think of "The Doomsday Machine" and "The Enemy Within" right off the top of my head.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

If Mc Coy's that brilliant of a surgeon, why couldn't he get a decent paying job in a hospital?

 

[Trekker4747]

I'd say Vulcan being clearly visible in the sky, close enough to see the surface fragment, is a pretty bloody clear indication that Delta Vega somehow teleported from the edge of the Galaxy to next to Vulcan in the Crap Timeline.

When did that happen?

We only see Vulcan collapse from DV's surface in Spock's mind-meld with Kirk. Which very-well could be his interpetation/emotion of events occuring since he'd "feel" his planet dying.

As for DV's location. That's a screw up since in TOS DV was at the edge of the galaxy and seemed to be a bit more temperate.

It's "possible" there's just two Delta Vegas.

 

[MadMan1701A]

One of the strangest plot holes occured to me only after I'd left the theatre; the reappearance of the 'lightning storm in space'. Why did one show up around Vulcan, and at the Klingon prison planet? Was the Narada travelling via red matter-holes, in the case of the Klingon thing even before it had obtained the red matter itself?

If I recall correctly, that second lightning storm in space will have been where Spock Prime ends up entering the past, where Nero was waiting for him. I think it might have been in Klingon space, too.

Wormhole appears, Spock comes out, Narada catches spock, Klingons get blown up by Narada, Uhura hears about it, etc....

 

[erastus25]

As for people liking the movie being a victory for the franchise, what cheapens one of us cheapens us all. They removed the heart, they removed the brain and stuffed it full of random action and tied it together with honestly one of the worst plots in sci fi history. (pages of plot holes in this thread alone)

I like the movie i will repeat again, but Star Trek? Thats not what they were showing where i was.

Since when do two of our main characters fighting for co-operation for the benefit of all races, share a joke as an enemy is being ripped apart by a stellar phenomenon

"It might be the only way to make peace with Romulus someday i thought you would approve." - Kirk

"Not today, no." - Spock

Queue Thundercats belly laughs all round as we fire a full spread of weapons at a ship in distress because it refused our help and harbours a war criminal. Wow there my vote for humanitarian of the year.

100% agreed. I call it a good movie set in the Star Trek universe but, by no means, a Star Trek movie.

As for plot holes:
I can't BELIEVE nobody has mentioned the reuse of the "there's no other ship nearby so the main characters have to save Earth" plot device. And it's even worse this time! Not only is there no manned ship near enough to EARTH to intercept Narada, but we're also expected to believe they're sending ships full of cadets and a few academy teachers to save the world/universe? WHAT??? There were so few real officers on Earth, a planet with billions of people, that ships are being manned primarily by cadets? And then a cadet who was potentially about to be suspended is in command? Because he made a few lucky guesses about the nature of the problem? Not even the rivers in time, pushing people to certain places at certain times, described in COTEOF, can explain that.

 

[Trekker4747]

They didn't know that Vulcan was being attacked, they thought it was a natural disaster. They weren't sending ships full of cadets into battle they were sending ships full of cadets into a rescue mission.

To fill sandbags and setup MASH tents, things like that.

And the "the hero is the only one in range to save the day" cliche is an old, old cliche not just limited to Trek movies but ALL forms of fiction.

 

[Holodoc]

One of the strangest plot holes occured to me only after I'd left the theatre; the reappearance of the 'lightning storm in space'. Why did one show up around Vulcan, and at the Klingon prison planet? Was the Narada travelling via red matter-holes, in the case of the Klingon thing even before it had obtained the red matter itself?

If I recall correctly, that second lightning storm in space will have been where Spock Prime ends up entering the past, where Nero was waiting for him. I think it might have been in Klingon space, too.

Wormhole appears, Spock comes out, Narada catches spock, Klingons get blown up by Narada, Uhura hears about it, etc....

Hmm. That does make a certain amount of sense, except those who've read the Countdown comic all seem to be saying that the fight around the Klingon planet was Nero breaking out of prison. Indeed, when we see that the Narada has arrived where Nero has figured out Spock will emerge, it's empty space if memory serves.

Still doesn't explain the sighting at Vulcan, though...

 

[Overgeeked]

The movie resonated with some people (such as myself) on an emotional level. You can't explain why you like something emotionally any more than you could logically explain why you love your children.

Love is simply a chemical reaction combined with a vast amount of shared experience.

Your turn.

 

[Overgeeked]

If Mc Coy's that brilliant of a surgeon, why couldn't he get a decent paying job in a hospital?

He had no place else to go. The ex-wife got the whole damned planet in the divorce.

 

[Trekker4747]

If Mc Coy's that brilliant of a surgeon, why couldn't he get a decent paying job in a hospital?

He had no place else to go. The ex-wife got the whole damned planet in the divorce.

You realize it was gruff remark regarding his stake in the divorce and that she, infact, did not get the whole planet and then evicted him from it.

...

Right?

 

[Crusher Disciple]

If Mc Coy's that brilliant of a surgeon, why couldn't he get a decent paying job in a hospital?

He had no place else to go. The ex-wife got the whole damned planet in the divorce.

You realize it was gruff remark regarding his stake in the divorce and that she, infact, did not get the whole planet and then evicted him from it.

...

Right?

Our impending divorce notwithstanding,


we all know if he's that talented (other than making out, of course), he could've gotten a much better paying job at a hospital.

ETA: Or maybe "get the hell off of Earth" was part of the restraining order.

 

[Trekker4747]

He had no place else to go. The ex-wife got the whole damned planet in the divorce.

You realize it was gruff remark regarding his stake in the divorce and that she, infact, did not get the whole planet and then evicted him from it.

...

Right?

Our impending divorce notwithstanding,

we all know if he's that talented (other than making out, of course), he could've gotten a much better paying job at a hospital.

Based on our slight knowledge of econmics in the 23rd C. It's likely "payment" is no longer an issue in career choices.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

Ah, you know I'm just puling your chain, baby.
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Based on our slight knowledge of econmics in the 23rd C. It's likely "payment" is no longer an issue in career choices.

What about boarding him, clothing him? Buying him towels and soap and...


Excuse me, I need to be alone... for a few minutes.

 

[Guartho]

Nah, the biggest plothole was "I have just seen my planet destroyed and been sent back in time. What will I do? Will I travel to my home planet and mention the advantages of putting a lot of research into Sun Stabilization Techniques? Nah, I think I'll just sulk for 25 years instead."

Idiot.

Nero says something to the effect of "Not only will I save Romulus, I'll save it from a world with the Federation." From that I suspect that he fully intended to clue-in Romulus to the impending Supernova, but was too confident in the Narada's relative invincibility and decided to kick ass first.

He may have even reasoned that the Romulans of the era would not let him take the Narada out joy-riding and planet smashing once they learned of its existence and so he must get his genocidal jollies first if he's going to get them at all.

 

[Trekker4747]

Ah, you know I'm just puling your chain, baby.

I'm making you a special dinner tomorrow.

Excuse me, I need to be alone... for a few minutes.

Let me know if I can help.

 

[Devon]

They removed the heart,

Nope.

they removed the brain

Nope.

and stuffed it full of random action and tied it together with honestly one of the worst plots in sci fi history. (pages of plot holes in this thread alone)

Nope. Then again, they aren't plot holes in the story but rather "thought holes" in some of the imaginations of the people here.

I like the movie i will repeat again, but Star Trek? Thats not what they were showing where i was.

So you're confused by what movie you saw? It was Star Trek, live with it.

Since when do two of our main characters fighting for co-operation for the benefit of all races, share a joke as an enemy is being ripped apart by a stellar phenomenon

It's amazing that you've never seen Star Trek!

 

[Broccoli]

Nope. Then again, they aren't plot holes in the story but rather "thought holes" in some of the imaginations of the people here.

Thought holes? So, it gets a free pass if an audience member can explain away in their head the thing that doesn't make sense? I'll remember that one next time people start bashing Nemesis or TFF.

Listen, I enjoyed the movie very much too, but lets call a spade a spade. The movie was riddled with plot holes and events that made little sense.

 

[Johnhead99]

As for Were Nero is headed Next, there is a major plot point about Kirk telling Spock he's heading for Earth, and Spock instead follows orders and meets up with the fleet in the Lorentian system. The resulting argument ends up with Kirk being kicked off the ship and landing on Delta Vega.

There's your plot hole.

Kirk was marrooned on Delta *after* they had warped away from Vulcan into another system! So how did Kirk end up on the planet *next* to Vulcan?

......Ooops!

The ship hadn't warped off after Vulcan was destroyed. It was sitting still in space.

There's also little to no indication that Delta Vega was adjacent to Vulcan.

You are correct with #1, but wrong with #2. Spock Prime watches Vulcan collapse from Delta Vega, which to me proves, they are 'somewhat' adjacent.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

As for people liking the movie being a victory for the franchise, what cheapens one of us cheapens us all.

I feel so cheap, so used...
...but I kinda like it.