Biggest Plot Hole?

[superstring01]

Black holes don't need to be made inside a planet. A few hundred thousand miles away is enough to destroy it.

Kirk's escape pod landing within spitting distance of Spock's bachelor pad is eye-rollingly serendipitous.

~String

 

[roguephoenix]

Uh... anyone else wonder why they had to drill to the center of the planet before creating the artificial black hole? A few more drops of red matter and they could create the black hole on the surface with the same effect.

I mean, other than it looks cool to have the drill and sets up the no comm, no beaming plot device...

the energy required to activate the red matter to create a properly "contained" singularity would be located in the most energy-rich area of the planet, aka the core. sure the could just make one and have it possibly go out of control. it's not out of the realm of possibility that nero would want that. then again, a lof of nero's actions were a bit irrational. guess that goes along with the trend about being careful with the destruction.

 

[Jeri]

Kirk's escape pod landing within spitting distance of Spock's bachelor pad is eye-rollingly serendipitous...

Yeah, somebody needs to develop a rationale for that; there must be one.

 

[ed629]

Black holes don't need to be made inside a planet. A few hundred thousand miles away is enough to destroy it.

Kirk's escape pod landing within spitting distance of Spock's bachelor pad is eye-rollingly serendipitous.

~String

It was alluded to when Old Spock asked how he found him... and again it's Star Trek and Kirk always seems to have beat the impossible odds.

 

[roguephoenix]

Black holes don't need to be made inside a planet. A few hundred thousand miles away is enough to destroy it.

~String

people don't need to get stabbed in the heart either to die, but if you're particularly vengeful, like nero was, you will be more inclined to want to destroy something by aiming at it's "heart", so to speak. it's more sadistic that way. not only did you violate the planet, but you killed it right after. though if i were him, i would have sent quite a few of those awesome shrapnal weapons torpedo things down at the planet and watched with glee as it destroyed cities and people bit by bit as i drilled into the planet and eventually created a black hole in the middle of it.

the black hole is nero's way of saying "vulcan was here, then nero came upon it."

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

Okay, here's one:

Ice planet...where the heck did spock find a wooden branch to use as a torch to scare away Fluffy the Ice Monster? No vegetation was apparent on the surface. Starfleet would not have a reason to bring wood down to their base.

Second:
Why was Spock Prime living in an ice cave while there was a Starfleet base (manned by one and a half people, apparently?!) just down the road? How was he heating the cave? What was he eating? Why not go down to the base and pretend to be a random Vulcan or a poor circus fellow or something?

Kirk running into Spock' was just way too coincidental.

The worst part is...I don't care; I loved the film!

 

[McMenemy00]

While argumants can be made that not all of these are plt holes they are all things that stuck out like a sore thumb in the middle of a trek movie. i am entitling this post "What JJ did worng" I hope he considers this spec of dust on the information highway an open letter to him and his peeps.

1) NOKIA!!!!! Are you screwing with me? Product placement in a trek movie! In a world where captilist ideals have been rejected for mutual co-operation! WTF!!!!!!!1

2) BUDWEISER!!!! See above

3) Red Matter? Red Matter? using a theasaurus I can translate this too "red stuff"

4) Vulcans bullying Spock? isn't bullying based on emtion? Fear of whats different, hatred of whats different. Instead of smashing his pointy eared little head in why didn't he just point out that there attempt too "elicit an emotional response" was a freaking "emotional response"

5) A Vulcan child using the word "whore" wow classy intellectual puppets of the federation huh? What happened to galactic mutual co-operation et al?

6) Why do the nacelles that generate a "warp field" to displace them into another layer of space where they can beat the old e=mc2 deal, have giant big glowy thrusters on the back, classy.

7) Kirk is God. Not even God gets promoted from Cadet to Captain of the flagship based on one mission he wasn't cleared to go on and in the middle of a freakin' cheating enquiry god damn it!

8)The engineer who had to be killed to be replaced by Scotty had the charges. kind of a numb skull plan on Pike's behalf to send three guys to blow something up and not give them all freakin' explosives.

9) Red stuff? Seriously your sh****ing me.

10) his reward for some 109 yeras of federation service is to be trapped in a parellel universe and the past at the beginning of his own career? What do you have against Spock?

11) Jesus what is that thing following Scotty? We don't do Ewoks J.J. NOTE THIS WELL.

12) Surely an intellect like Spocks has come to terms with the theory that altering the timeline creates parallel universes, so why is he so into the idea immediately?

13) A freakin supernova threatened the galaxy and destroyed romulus? Baring in ind nothing was said about it being overly huge, or mega special, this would be the same phenomenon that Voyager witnessed at close distance three times in two days? This common enough galactic phenomenon is suddenly frikken Armageddon?

14) when said Mega disaster happens Spock says "I'll fix it" to the romulans the the vastly more powerful romulan star empire kicks back and waits for an elderly Vulcan in a tiny ship to save there planet? What about that mega fleet of warbirds you guys had a few centuries ago? ever think about maybe, I dunno, EVACUATING THE PLANET NIMROD?

15) In a car described as a classic and restored in loving detail, a frikken data terminal and mobile communications terminal? Made by Nokia? QUIT SELLING ME STUFF

16) Theres an Orion Female/most likely slave girl at starfleet academy. Yeah that seems hugely likely.

Thats what i remember after one viewing on thursday 7th may.

I have to say i liked the movie. Had he not called it Star Trek I wouldn't be here. Convenient plot devices, lousy with technobabble, this I accept. however i feel that with this franchise "re-boot" he booted the ineffable quality known as Heart right out of my god damn show. nice try next time call it space stuff.

 

[Trekker4747]

Theres an Orion Female/most likely slave girl at starfleet academy. Yeah that seems hugely likely.

I guess we could say that just because she was green doesn't mean she was an Orion. Though the reference seems that was supposed to be the implication.

Maybe her father (or mother) was human and copulated with the other partner who was an Orion and they decided to raise their child on Earth?

Maybe she's one of many Orions who escape "slavery" their world?

Maybe Orion, like Earth, has many cultures not all of which have the idea of "slavery."

Really.

This is one of the stupidest things people are arguing about.

 

[Green Shirt]

Not to mention, I dare you to show me one star trek movie (hell, even one episode) without similar things... holodeck conveniently going awry, communications blocked at just the right moment, etc.

Right. Communications and transport are conveniently blocked while the drilling device is active. It's a plot filler and it made for a cool sky drive from space scene

Too bad it got Ebert all confused.

 

[Silent_Bob]

The ship hadn't warped off after Vulcan was destroyed. It was sitting still in space.

There's also little to no indication that Delta Vega was adjacent to Vulcan.

I'd say Vulcan being clearly visible in the sky, close enough to see the surface fragment, is a pretty bloody clear indication that Delta Vega somehow teleported from the edge of the Galaxy to next to Vulcan in the Crap Timeline.

One of the biggest plotholes for me, is the fact that the effects of the Super Special Red Matter Blackholes arent even consistent within the film. Someone care to explain to me how one Red Matter Blackhole transports you back in time to a location close to someone critical to the Timeline, while every subsequent Red Matter Blackhole just sucks you up?

Why didnt the remains of Vulcan or the Nerada get dumped next to a convenient History altering moment? Surely an asteroid field filled with dead Vulcans should have popped up as the Phoenix went to Warp for the first time, or the remains of the Nerada scratch the paint of the NX-01.

 

[Tom Servo]

I was thinking about why Nero would not have gone back to help the Romulans, besides the fact that he was crazy. Was it ever mentioned if the star that exploded in the film was the one that Romulus orbits? Or at least gets it's light and heat from? Because if that was the case, maybe the reason that Nero didn't help destroy the star is because while doing so, he would be dooming his people to destruction anyway. A damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Maybe he figured that if he weakened the Federation enough with his own ship, that by the time the stars destruction naturally occurred 100 plus years later, the empire would be expanded enough that the destruction of Romulus would have less of an effect.

 

[Tom Servo]

The ship hadn't warped off after Vulcan was destroyed. It was sitting still in space.

There's also little to no indication that Delta Vega was adjacent to Vulcan.

I'd say Vulcan being clearly visible in the sky, close enough to see the surface fragment, is a pretty bloody clear indication that Delta Vega somehow teleported from the edge of the Galaxy to next to Vulcan in the Crap Timeline.

One of the biggest plotholes for me, is the fact that the effects of the Super Special Red Matter Blackholes arent even consistent within the film. Someone care to explain to me how one Red Matter Blackhole transports you back in time to a location close to someone critical to the Timeline, while every subsequent Red Matter Blackhole just sucks you up?

Why didnt the remains of Vulcan or the Nerada get dumped next to a convenient History altering moment? Surely an asteroid field filled with dead Vulcans should have popped up as the Phoenix went to Warp for the first time, or the remains of the Nerada scratch the paint of the NX-01.

Well I think the depiction of the black holes were quite consistent. When the black holes were created INSIDE of an object, such as Vulcan, or the Narada, the singularity rips the object apart from the inside out. Im sure the remains of Vulcan and the Narada are out there somewhere in space and time. When a ship travels through the wormhole intact, it is thrown through space-time, like the Narada and Spock the first time they went through. At the end of the film, it's not implied the Enterprise was going to be destroyed if it went through the black hole, but Im sure they didn't want to be thrown back in time, and I assumed the stress cracks that started forming were from the strain of the Enterprise being at full warp, while a gravity well was sucking it in the other direction.

 

[Trekwatcher]

But despite all of these ridiculous, giant plot holes most people on the board seem to have LOVED the film. Huh?

 

[Sky]

But despite all of these ridiculous, giant plot holes most people on the board seem to have LOVED the film. Huh?

Well, it seems to be like what someone said to me during a conversation:

"Who gives a fuck about the plot. The movie looked AWESOME!!"

 

[Tom Servo]

But despite all of these ridiculous, giant plot holes most people on the board seem to have LOVED the film. Huh?

Well, it seems to be like what someone said to me during a conversation:

"Who gives a fuck about the plot. The movie looked AWESOME!!"

Well I thought the plot was okay, not great, people are severely overblowing these so called plot holes. Most of them can be explained away pretty easily.

 

[Mr. B]

Well, it seems to be like what someone said to me during a conversation:

"Who gives a fuck about the plot. The movie looked AWESOME!!"

Makes all these "new fans" feel like quite a victory for the franchise.

 

[Tikkun]

Maybe its not the biggest plot hole. But anybody wonder why the Grand Canyon is in Iowa???

Global warming?

 

[TremblingBluStar]

Look, I go by what the movie shows me. If I have to invent solutions and scenes to which the movie does not even hint at for the story to work, then the story does not work. Of course not everything has to be shown, but there was nothing to suggest Nero had contact with the Romulans of the time.

If you just went by what the movie shows, you would have no trouble accepting that Nero simply didn't do this! Instead, you are assuming that what you would do in this situation is what should have happened.

Maybe its not the biggest plot hole. But anybody wonder why the Grand Canyon is in Iowa???

It was a quarry, I believe. We have those. Not quite not deep just yet.

But, it was very apparent to those from Iowa that the "Iowa" scenes were shot in the desert. Our soil is very dark brown and rich - hence the abundant farms. Even though they put up corn fields, the sand was light brown and rocky in the movie.

Well, it seems to be like what someone said to me during a conversation:

"Who gives a fuck about the plot. The movie looked AWESOME!!"

Eh. Different strokes.

The movie resonated with some people (such as myself) on an emotional level. You can't explain why you like something emotionally any more than you could logically explain why you love your children.

When something doesn't connect with you, the plot holes tend to irritate you even more. I could make an entire thread pointing out the plot holes in The Wrath of Khan (like why the crew of the Reliant didn't detect Khan and his ship from orbit) but it won't make people who love the film love it any less.

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

Maybe its not the biggest plot hole. But anybody wonder why the Grand Canyon is in Iowa???

It was a quarry, I believe. We have those. Not quite not deep just yet.

But, it was very apparent to those from Iowa that the "Iowa" scenes were shot in the desert. Our soil is very dark brown and rich - hence the abundant farms. Even though they put up corn fields, the sand was light brown and rocky in the movie.

I also wonder if the desertification of Iowa might have had something to do with WWIII? Perhaps they got 'blasted'? FWIW, I just assumed it was a massive quarry.

 

[Holodoc]

One of the strangest plot holes occured to me only after I'd left the theatre; the reappearance of the 'lightning storm in space'. Why did one show up around Vulcan, and at the Klingon prison planet? Was the Narada travelling via red matter-holes, in the case of the Klingon thing even before it had obtained the red matter itself?