Why Such Hate???

[USS Gettysburg]

I shall bemoan these posts again. BEMOAN! Is this what Shatner meant by 'get a life' and just say you like it or hate it and discuss it and quit crying over people not sharing your views?

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

This is the only place on the internet where I've seen any real negative reaction to this film

And I frequent a LOT of different boards.

 

[Vaadwaur]

Why is it so hard to accept that some people just do not like the movie?

As for the fact that I haven't seen it yet, as I pointed out in another thread, I know all the details of EVERY movie that I've gone to see over the years (about 200 movies, or about 10 per year).

I loathe surprises and prefer to know what I'm getting before I spend my money on it.

Its ok if people dont like the movie, but not liking a movie before watching it.....

That said, a new movie would be easier to live with if it were not the attitude of people who support EVERY brand new Star Trek series or movie aired (or so it seems).

Trek is not a sport team, you cant fire the coach, if you dont support trek, you re killing it. I didnt like Voyager, but i still watched the 7 Seasons

 

[Balrog]

I don't think it's an "afraid of change" thing.

I think some fans are pissed because it's not 1966 and "Star Trek" will never be the way they want it and know it again.

Same stuff happened when TMP came out. Same stuff happened when TWOK came out. Come to think of it, TWOK was NOT universally loved by the fanbase (they killed Spock after all!) at first. "It's too militaristic!" they claimed. "Khan was a crazed characature of the TOS persona!" Now? You have to dig hard to find anyone NOW who'd dare claim TWOK is anything but the best original cast Trek movie. LOL!

Same stuff happened when TNG came out (Oh boy! Did the sh!t hit the fan when TNG came out). DS9, GEN, VOY, ENT... Yeah, the same thing.

I think fans stick to watching what they like, and ignore the rest they don't. Personally, I'm not a VOY fan, and not much of an ENT fan either (although I'm coming around a bit). I suspect some folks may come to like nuTrek given time, but if they don't it doesn't matter. Casual fans have seemingly come to embrace the idea of nuTrek, so it looks as though we'll be getting more of it.

 

[Aragorn]

I think Dayton3 not liking it is a sign that everything is normal (never mind that he hasn't even seen it yet). If this movie made him happy, then the end of days would probably be upon us.

 

[CaptainStoner]

I think Dayton3 not liking it is a sign that everything is normal (never mind that he hasn't even seen it yet). If this movie made him happy, then the end of days would probably be upon us.

It wouldn't be the end of days. But livestock would mysteriously explode in the surrounding countryside, milk would sour, and a mysterious, foul odor would envelope an area the size of Texas for several days.

 

[Sector 7]

Some people are afraid of change. They are afraid of the uncertainty that change brings. They are afraid of their place in the world; that little corner of existence they so jealously guarded. They are afraid the bubble they lived in will burst, expelling their inner life onto the streets, where other people might judge them. They are afraid to have wasted all their time vehemently arguing about details that, in the larger scale of events, have no value whatsoever.

They are afraid that the identity they extracted from the label people bestowed them, no longer has any meaning, value or purpose, for the label no longer applies. They are afraid that the identity they imposed on themselves no longer drives the uninitiated away. They are afraid they now have to begin using skills that have lain dormant in their personal interactions for far too long. They are afraid they might like what they would become. They are afraid they might like these aspects of their personality better.

They are afraid of being confronted with the less-then-maximum fulfillment of their old lifestyle.

It's much easier for them to hate change then to confront their fears.

I get it.... hardcore+Trekkie=GOTH...

 

[Eddie Roth]

Secondly.

I HATE hearing about box office performance and critics reviews as reasons Trek fans should like the movie.

It is simple bandwagoning that to me has no place in Star Trek or in any franchise.

Again, you misunderstand because you want to misunderstand. Looking at reviews and box office is a way of appreciating that for the first time in more than a decade, Star Trek appeals to more than just us fans again. That is cause for celebration and for that alone, everyone should like what the movie represents: a renaissance for Trek. The hatred spewed by some people towards the film comes across as them desiring for Star Trek to always stay that unpopular cult object that will never be continued. It's illogical to wish for the film's failure because it would mean that the thing we all love, Star Trek as a whole, would not continue to exist.

You presume that people have to con themselves into liking this movie through reviews or good box office. Not so. I for one would have liked this film just as much if I had been the only one or if it had completely tanked at the box office.

 

[Butters]

The Enterprise during the "The Cage" didn't look anything like the iNterprise. The bridge and uniforms looked nothing like that. Surely if you had seen every episode you would have known this.



Agreed. BUT they could have made a Star Trek movie that fit with what was established and still made it work. Star Trek didn't need an iNterprise, crazy new uniforms, the iBridge, the 20th century engineering, etc, ect. to make Star Trek cool again. I'll say it again WE DIDN'T NEED THOSE THINGS TO MAKE START TREK COOL AGAIN! I'm not yelling at you just yelling in general.

There's just no arguing with that reasoning is there.

Visual continuity with the 1960s pilot episode might please a few purists but to eveyone else would be bland and uninspired, but even worse would be to give the world the impression that this film is going to please the hardcore. You know, the ones that do jury duty in starfleet uniform. Yeah, that'll pack em in the isles.

 

[ST-One]

As for the fact that I haven't seen it yet, as I pointed out in another thread, I know all the details of EVERY movie that I've gone to see over the years (about 200 movies, or about 10 per year).

I loathe surprises and prefer to know what I'm getting before I spend my money on it.

Apart from the fact that this is an idiotic approach to watching movies, you actually do not know, cannot know, all details of a movie unless you have seen it.
You cannot judge the directorial style and the acting unless you've seen it.

 

[datagal]

Why is it so hard to accept that some people just do not like the movie?

As for the fact that I haven't seen it yet, as I pointed out in another thread, I know all the details of EVERY movie that I've gone to see over the years (about 200 movies, or about 10 per year).

I loathe surprises and prefer to know what I'm getting before I spend my money on it.

That said, a new movie would be easier to live with if it were not the attitude of people who support EVERY brand new Star Trek series or movie aired (or so it seems).

The attitude by many with this movie is the same thing I remembered with nuBattlestar:Galactica.

"Look, this is the only new (series, movie) that they are going to make. So you might as well learn to like it."

It is an attitude that to me is both fatalistic and borderline bullying. Seemingly to not only insult people who don't like the new movie, but to almost casually dismiss them even having a valid right to not like the new movie.

Secondly.

I HATE hearing about box office performance and critics reviews as reasons Trek fans should like the movie.

It is simple bandwagoning that to me has no place in Star Trek or in any franchise.

Stop bitching and just go watch the movie for goodness' sakes.

Second-handed accounts doesn't make you know the movie more than those who actually saw it.

 

[Holodoc]

Its ok if people dont like the movie, but not liking a movie before watching it.....

Plenty of people do exactly that. We didn't all go see Gigli, or Glitter, or Crossroads before deciding that it could safely be chalked up in the 'suck' column, now did we? I understand that, since you like the movie it seems like a silly thing to do, but movies are expensive, a large number of them come out over the course of a year, and people don't have the time and money to see each and every film to form a personal opinion onf them all. Sometimes, you just have to say well, that looks like it's going to suck, I'm not going to go see it.

 

[Mr. B]

But I constantly see people bashing this new movie and its storyline. I ask why?

The "hate" here lately has been directed far more at the dozen or so 'naysayers' than the film itself. The universal adulation in here is more intense than what Obama gets in TNZ.

Most of the criticisms offered about his movie are valid rather than good old fashioned bashing. Of course people are going to criticize things like the plot, it was complete garbage. If you disagree, that's fine. Everyone should be entitled to their opinion.

 

[exodus]

I have been reading the posts on here since i saw the movie Friday. I have seen every episode of every series except the animated series and i have seen and own every movie.

I liked the movie and I think it might be the ticket to a trek revival.

But I constantly see people bashing this new movie and its storyline. I ask why?

Is this why trek has been dying for YEARS now? The moment someone tried to do a storyline which in my book does a good job in both staying faithful to its lineage and bringing new people.

I have been bashed over the years for liking star trek the image was so shot to hell.

And yet here we are on face of a new beginning and we get people saying stuff like "I wish they never made this movie, Better DEAD then this". Are we this closed minded that we CANNOT accept any changes to anything.

I ask you were was trek headed before word of this movie even started to spread. To me it seemed it was on the fast track down the toilet. Nothing in the works and ENT was canceled.

Yet when we get a glimmer of hope that STAR TREK might live again. We instantly get people who BLAST everything that was possibly changed.

I say if changes like this were not needed WHY THE HELL WAS STAR TREK DYING!

I think the series is so weak right now they wouldn't dare start a tv series. I also think that unless everything goes absolutely perfect for the next few movies this brief respite will be just that a short time when thing went up rather then down. At this point I can't even envision a series no matter how many movies they make. The Star Trek image is so bad right now.

Would I love a new series to be made? Yes I would certainly love to see it that strong. But when we as fans spew so much hate about the changes to be made to try to SAVE Star Trek it does nothing but make me wonder how we even got this far in the first place.


To those who accuse the new movie of killing the old star trek I say this. Doesn't something have to be alive to be killed? Last I checked the "old" was canceled and rating were way down.

Even if this movie had not been made the 'old" would still be dead in my book. What had not been done? where had we not been? To me it seems ran out of good and above all PROFITABLE ideas. Complain about it all you want anything not making money is not going to last no matter how good or awesome it may be.

So can we STOP bashing everything and everyone under the sun? If the "old" was doing so well and great something like this wouldn't have needed to happen.

I don't think it matters what those that didn't like it have to say about it. The point was to expand Trek into an audience that doesn't watch Trek & to a generation that doesn't know it. They are the future of the franshise, not the ones that can't move forward. I think Dayton 3 is exactly the type of fan Paramount & the Trek franshise is trying to leave behind. Trek can't have a future with that type of support from the fanbase.

 

[Sector 7]

I don't think it matters what those that didn't like it have to say about it. The point was to expand Trek into an audience that doesn't watch Trek & to a generation that doesn't know it. They are the future of the franshise, not the ones that can't move forward. I think Dayton 3 is exactly the type of fan Paramount & the Trek franshise is trying to leave behind. Trek can't have a future with that type of support from the fanbase.

Well said.

 

[cmdrbolly]

Its ok if people dont like the movie, but not liking a movie before watching it.....

Plenty of people do exactly that. We didn't all go see Gigli, or Glitter, or Crossroads before deciding that it could safely be chalked up in the 'suck' column, now did we? I understand that, since you like the movie it seems like a silly thing to do, but movies are expensive, a large number of them come out over the course of a year, and people don't have the time and money to see each and every film to form a personal opinion onf them all. Sometimes, you just have to say well, that looks like it's going to suck, I'm not going to go see it.

Yeah, but did you then go to the Glgli Forum to bitch and moan about how much it sucked?

 

[Holodoc]

I did not, but that has nothing to do with the point to which I was replying.

 

[barnaclelapse]

Some people are afraid of change. They are afraid of the uncertainty that change brings. They are afraid of their place in the world; that little corner of existence they so jealously guarded. They are afraid the bubble they lived in will burst, expelling their inner life onto the streets, where other people might judge them. They are afraid to have wasted all their time vehemently arguing about details that, in the larger scale of events, have no value whatsoever.

They are afraid that the identity they extracted from the label people bestowed them, no longer has any meaning, value or purpose, for the label no longer applies. They are afraid that the identity they imposed on themselves no longer drives the uninitiated away. They are afraid they now have to begin using skills that have lain dormant in their personal interactions for far too long. They are afraid they might like what they would become. They are afraid they might like these aspects of their personality better.

They are afraid of being confronted with the less-then-maximum fulfillment of their old lifestyle.

It's much easier for them to hate change then to confront their fears.

Of course, some people may just not like the movie.

Heh.

Personally, I can appreciate resisting change a little. There's so much in life that's outside of our control that we as human beings tend to sometimes wrap ourselves around the things we are capable of controlling. I believe change is almost always and very obviously inevitable, and I often try to look at it with the most open mind possible, but I can still sympathize a little with someone who might have the instinct to resist.

 

[exodus]

Some people are afraid of change. They are afraid of the uncertainty that change brings. They are afraid of their place in the world; that little corner of existence they so jealously guarded. They are afraid the bubble they lived in will burst, expelling their inner life onto the streets, where other people might judge them. They are afraid to have wasted all their time vehemently arguing about details that, in the larger scale of events, have no value whatsoever.

They are afraid that the identity they extracted from the label people bestowed them, no longer has any meaning, value or purpose, for the label no longer applies. They are afraid that the identity they imposed on themselves no longer drives the uninitiated away. They are afraid they now have to begin using skills that have lain dormant in their personal interactions for far too long. They are afraid they might like what they would become. They are afraid they might like these aspects of their personality better.

They are afraid of being confronted with the less-then-maximum fulfillment of their old lifestyle.

It's much easier for them to hate change then to confront their fears.

Of course, some people may just not like the movie.

Heh.

Personally, I can appreciate resisting change a little. There's so much in life that's outside of our control that we as human beings tend to sometimes wrap ourselves around the things we are capable of controlling. I believe change is almost always and very obviously inevitable, and I often try to look at it with the most open mind possible, but I can still sympathize a little with someone who might have the instinct to resist.

..but we as the audience were never capable of ever controlling Trek. A major majority don't even understand how the TV/film making business works.

TOS fas resisted liking the change of TNG. When they came around, it became a bigger hit.

TNG fas resisted the change of DS9. When they came around, DS9 became a huge fan favorite.

It's our resistance & division within the fanbase itself that is partly killing Trek. That is why Paramount is given no choice but to seek a new audience for Trek outside of it.

 

[Tikkun]

Trek is not a sport team, you cant fire the coach, if you dont support trek, you re killing it. I didnt like Voyager, but i still watched the 7 Seasons

That seems vaguely masochistic. Were you part of a Nielson family?

I'm pretty strictly a TOS fan - started watching it in my teens - first run. I've perused the other treks and enjoyed some episodes, but didn't get hooked on any, or watch any that I didn't like.

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, BTW - flaws and all. In fact, flaws can be the best hooks for later stories.

Just a question for the OP - is it why the hate of the movie? Or why the hae of those who don't share your view? I think some have always hated each new attempt at Trek because it didn't jibe with their personal vision - and the anger at each other dates back to well before the internet, as anyone who ever read Interstat can tell you. However, I don't really think it's hate - more passion and a desire to be heard or convert.