Why Such Hate???

[Nomad8324]

I have been reading the posts on here since i saw the movie Friday. I have seen every episode of every series except the animated series and i have seen and own every movie.

I liked the movie and I think it might be the ticket to a trek revival.

But I constantly see people bashing this new movie and its storyline. I ask why?

Is this why trek has been dying for YEARS now? The moment someone tried to do a storyline which in my book does a good job in both staying faithful to its lineage and bringing new people.

I have been bashed over the years for liking star trek the image was so shot to hell.

And yet here we are on face of a new beginning and we get people saying stuff like "I wish they never made this movie, Better DEAD then this". Are we this closed minded that we CANNOT accept any changes to anything.

I ask you were was trek headed before word of this movie even started to spread. To me it seemed it was on the fast track down the toilet. Nothing in the works and ENT was canceled.

Yet when we get a glimmer of hope that STAR TREK might live again. We instantly get people who BLAST everything that was possibly changed.

I say if changes like this were not needed WHY THE HELL WAS STAR TREK DYING!

I think the series is so weak right now they wouldn't dare start a tv series. I also think that unless everything goes absolutely perfect for the next few movies this brief respite will be just that a short time when thing went up rather then down. At this point I can't even envision a series no matter how many movies they make. The Star Trek image is so bad right now.

Would I love a new series to be made? Yes I would certainly love to see it that strong. But when we as fans spew so much hate about the changes to be made to try to SAVE Star Trek it does nothing but make me wonder how we even got this far in the first place.


To those who accuse the new movie of killing the old star trek I say this. Doesn't something have to be alive to be killed? Last I checked the "old" was canceled and rating were way down.

Even if this movie had not been made the 'old" would still be dead in my book. What had not been done? where had we not been? To me it seems ran out of good and above all PROFITABLE ideas. Complain about it all you want anything not making money is not going to last no matter how good or awesome it may be.

So can we STOP bashing everything and everyone under the sun? If the "old" was doing so well and great something like this wouldn't have needed to happen.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

"It is in your nature to destroy yourselves..." - Terminator to John Connor in T2

 

[miraclefan]

There scared of change.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I think that deep down, some trekkies see it as a secret club and don't want new people in. Some probably got beat up or insulted for liking Star Trek at some point in their life and just decided that they just don't understand.

Now the new movie is bringing new people in, some who were probably not to different than the ones who hated Trek back in the day.

 

[Ovation]

"People can be very frightened of change"--Kirk to Azetbur in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

 

[T'Paul]

I agree that Star Trek needed change, but I think that a film full of plotholes and with a shitty forced connection to previous Trek is not the appropriate change.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

There are a lot of reasons why people might have problems with change or the success of the movie, but it is also important to not lose sight of the fact that some people just didn't enjoy the movie for perfectly valid reasons.

It's art, and therefore it is subject to an infinite number of interpretations. All of them valid.

 

[bismarck_1892]

If you have to ask why, you have not been reading the posts.

 

[Ovation]

There are a lot of reasons why people might have problems with change or the success of the movie, but it is also important to not lose sight of the fact that some people just didn't enjoy the movie for perfectly valid reasons.

It's art, and therefore it is subject to an infinite number of interpretations. All of them valid.

That does not excuse the vitriol thrown at those who do like the movie (and, of course, the reverse is true as well).

 

[DaveG]

Hate? Dunno. Different opinions. Yes. For some, the movie just didn't do it for them. I'm one of them.

 

[Peter the Younger]

It's important to keep in mind that people are entitled to their opinions, and that they may feel the need to vent.

It's also important to keep in mind that they are a very small faction of a group that is itself a small minority of the movie going public.

They make a lot of noise because it takes longer to vent your frustrations on a BBS than it would by say, hitting a punching bag, or screaming from the top of a remote hill.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

There are a lot of reasons why people might have problems with change or the success of the movie, but it is also important to not lose sight of the fact that some people just didn't enjoy the movie for perfectly valid reasons.

It's art, and therefore it is subject to an infinite number of interpretations. All of them valid.

That does not excuse the vitriol thrown at those who do like the movie (and, of course, the reverse is true as well).

Of course, which is why I asked people not to be such DICs in this thread:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=91899

It's pretty bad on both sides of the fence right now. The fans of the new film just have the majority (and the perceived legitimacy that typically accompanies a majority). But both sides are fairly embarrassing at the moment.

 

[bismarck_1892]

It's important to keep in mind that people are entitled to their opinions, and that they may feel the need to vent.

It's also important to keep in mind that they are a very small faction of a group that is itself a small minority of the movie going public.

They make a lot of noise because it takes longer to vent your frustrations on a BBS than it would by say, hitting a punching bag, or screaming from the top of a remote hill.

When saying that people are entitled to their opinion it is disingenious to say in the same breath that they are making a lot of noise. If anyone is making noise its the gushers.

 

[Aragorn]

^ So you'd say Dayton3 and Captain Robert April are what? Civilized and constructive? They're the loudest posters of everyone here.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Some people are afraid of change. They are afraid of the uncertainty that change brings. They are afraid of their place in the world; that little corner of existence they so jealously guarded. They are afraid the bubble they lived in will burst, expelling their inner life onto the streets, where other people might judge them. They are afraid to have wasted all their time vehemently arguing about details that, in the larger scale of events, have no value whatsoever.

They are afraid that the identity they extracted from the label people bestowed them, no longer has any meaning, value or purpose, for the label no longer applies. They are afraid that the identity they imposed on themselves no longer drives the uninitiated away. They are afraid they now have to begin using skills that have lain dormant in their personal interactions for far too long. They are afraid they might like what they would become. They are afraid they might like these aspects of their personality better.

They are afraid of being confronted with the less-then-maximum fulfillment of their old lifestyle.

It's much easier for them to hate change then to confront their fears.

 

[CaptainStoner]

Controversy gets more airplay. I started a thread praising Roddenberry as a character artist, stating that this new film affirms his masterful creations, comparing him to Tolkien in this respect. Not one response in that thread.

 

[bismarck_1892]

Some people are afraid of change. They are afraid of the uncertainty that change brings. They are afraid of their place in the world; that little corner of existence they so jealously guarded. They are afraid the bubble they lived in will burst, expelling their inner life onto the streets, where other people might judge them. They are afraid to have wasted all their time vehemently arguing about details that, in the larger scale of events, have no value whatsoever.

They are afraid that the identity they extracted from the label people bestowed them, no longer has any meaning, value or purpose, for the label no longer applies. They are afraid that the identity they imposed on themselves no longer drives the uninitiated away. They are afraid they now have to begin using skills that have lain dormant in their personal interactions for far too long. They are afraid they might like what they would become. They are afraid they might like these aspects of their personality better.

They are afraid of being confronted with the less-then-maximum fulfillment of their old lifestyle.

It's much easier for them to hate change then to confront their fears.

Yes, that psychology class you took in college is really paying off.

 

[Aragorn]

I think the bottom line and most simple answer to the original question is -- welcome to the internet.

 

[datagal]

^ So you'd say Dayton3 and Captain Robert April are what? Civilized and constructive? They're the loudest posters of everyone here.

Have Captain Robert seen the movie or has he decided not to go see it like Dayton?

 

[Holodoc]

Okay, seriously, would fans of the movie just please stop accusing those of us who don't like it of being 'afraid' of 'change'? Change is not intrinsically good. Fear is not intrinsically bad. And there are other motivations beyond 'fear' of 'change'. Maybe, just maybe, some people simply, for perfectly legitimate reasons owing to matters of storytelling and drama and the larger implications for stories that they were enjoying quite happily, didn't like the film!

Jesus Christ...