Biggest Plot Hole?
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Biggest "plot hole."
Well, I'm going to go with the Kobayashi Maru test -as presented here.
In TWK it's the commander's decision to either save the ship or not risk enterting the TNZ. That's the point of thest being "no-win." You can either let the lives die, and preserve the treaty, or you can enter the TNZ and die by the hands of the Klingons for violating the treaty.
In the Kobayashi Maru test as shown here, the cadets are ordered by SFC to save the Kobayashi Maru, thus ordered to violate treaty to not enter TNZ, so thus there's no real way to "save your own ship" and "still lose."
Well, I'm going to go with the Kobayashi Maru test -as presented here.
In TWK it's the commander's decision to either save the ship or not risk enterting the TNZ. That's the point of thest being "no-win." You can either let the lives die, and preserve the treaty, or you can enter the TNZ and die by the hands of the Klingons for violating the treaty.
In the Kobayashi Maru test as shown here, the cadets are ordered by SFC to save the Kobayashi Maru, thus ordered to violate treaty to not enter TNZ, so thus there's no real way to "save your own ship" and "still lose."
Look, I go by what the movie shows me. If I have to invent solutions and scenes to which the movie does not even hint at for the story to work, then the story does not work. Of course not everything has to be shown, but there was nothing to suggest Nero had contact with the Romulans of the time.
Even if Nero warned the Romulans it probably wouldn't have saved the people he loved because warning the Romulans might have massively changed Romulan history. Maybe it would have meant that Nero and his wife would never be born.
Warning the Romulans would have saved Romulus in this timeline but would not have saved Nero's Romulus. He could not have save his Romulus no matter what he did.
Warning the Romulans would have saved Romulus in this timeline but would not have saved Nero's Romulus. He could not have save his Romulus no matter what he did.
I think we have a winner.
There's your plot hole.
Kirk was marrooned on Delta *after* they had warped away from Vulcan into another system! So how did Kirk end up on the planet *next* to Vulcan?
......Ooops!
The ship hadn't warped off after Vulcan was destroyed. It was sitting still in space.
There's also little to no indication that Delta Vega was adjacent to Vulcan.
Not a plot hole per se, but I couldn't get past those interplanetary transporters.
It was an idea theorized by Scotty for "transwarp beaming" and not a usual technique.
It's even possible Scotty didn't perfect the idea and/or formula until after he's resurrected in the 24c, using their advanced computers and transporter technology and knowledge.
Ambassador Spock had knowledge of this -coming from post-MT 24c- and simply gave Scotty the formula "early" in order for him to allow Kirk to save Earth before it is too late.
But that's the thing... Assuming you're correct and Scott developed the new transporter tech in the 24th century and shared it with Spock, it wasn't just a matter of inserting a formula into old transporters, was it? They needed advanced equipment that would only exist in the 24th century to make things work. This new transporter alone changes everything. All Starfleet has to do from now is beam photon torpedoes into far away Klingon and Romulan battleships and detonate them. Mission accomplished.
Yeah, I think the plot was terrible. What's weird is the plot was terrible and yet the movie was good. I was distracted with the flashy special FX, overall good casting, etc.
Maybe it'll be discovered it has undesirable side-effects? Not the least of which being not knowing what you're beaming into -leading to Scotty ending up in the turbine tube) so Starfleet doesn't widely employ it?
And, Starfleet doesn't go around beaming torpedoes into ships. Maybe you haven't noticed, but they tend to be a bit on the peaceful side.
exactly, imagine today if a F35 fighter ended up in the 1950s
People keep saying that, but he never really acted crazy. He was lucid enough to instantly grasp that he'd travelled through time, and apparently patient enough to wait around for 25 years, doing nothing at all, and convincing his crew to do the same. Then he goes not so much crazy as just stupid; releasing the only person in existence who could explain his plans, not doing anything about the threat that supposedly drove him crazy in the first place, refusing to simply lay Earth to waste with conventional weapons, etc. His actions never struck me as 'crazy' in the least. What they struck me as were the actions of a shallow villain with no real motivation.
Exactly. Look at real life terrorist attacks and other things of the sort. They don't exactly make any sense.
That's not exactly true. In the full treatment of the story, they were captured and taken to Rura Penthe where they escaped after 25 years.
Meh. There was nothing in the movie about that, and I didn't see an assigned reading list when I went to purchase my ticket.
Anyway, my point is that Nero isn't crazy, or at least not for any consecutive stretch of the film, and that's reflected in the fact that his actions are relatively rational, albeit quite stupid.
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