Biggest Plot Hole?

[Overgeeked]

Uh... anyone else wonder why they had to drill to the center of the planet before creating the artificial black hole? A few more drops of red matter and they could create the black hole on the surface with the same effect.

I mean, other than it looks cool to have the drill and sets up the no comm, no beaming plot device...

 

[DarthAkuma]

Just for fun. After all, it's science fiction.

 

[Icarus]

Just for fun. After all, it's science fiction.

+1 - besides, I don't think we know enough about artificial black hole dynamics to speculate on whats probable and whats not haha

 

[Icarus]

Not to mention, I dare you to show me one star trek movie (hell, even one episode) without similar things... holodeck conveniently going awry, communications blocked at just the right moment, etc.

 

[NumberOne]

Not to mention, I dare you to show me one star trek movie (hell, even one episode) without similar things... holodeck conveniently going awry, communications blocked at just the right moment, etc.

Right. Communications and transport are conveniently blocked while the drilling device is active. It's a plot filler and it made for a cool sky drive from space scene

 

[Peter the Younger]

Not to mention, I dare you to show me one star trek movie (hell, even one episode) without similar things... holodeck conveniently going awry, communications blocked at just the right moment, etc.

Right. Communications and transport are conveniently blocked while the drilling device is active. It's a plot filler and it made for a cool sky drive from space scene

Wait, convenient side effects for plot purposes? That's outrageous! We've never seen such a thing in Trek, ever!

Come on.

 

[scotthm]

Just for fun. After all, it's science fiction.

I seem to recall Abrams stressing the realism in this movie.

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[Jessop]

It wouldn't be the same effect on the surface... the core of a planet is much, much denser and surrounded by a lot more mass than the surface. Which is probably why the process unfolded literally in minutes. Still, the portrayal of black holes in this film was incredibly liberal anyway.

 

[Tarek71]

The whole thing seemed more like Doctor Who. I can just picture the Doctor battling some evil robot meanies with a planet-sucking thingamabob.

It was wonky and silly and not a shard of it made any sense, but I was able to just let it pass. I dont think any techno-babbly explanations for how "red matter" works will ever be able to explain it anyhow. Its magic Planet Sucking goo. Thats it.

 

[seigezunt]

Biggest plot hole?

The black hole.

 

[Mr. Chubbykins]

Nah, the biggest plothole was "I have just seen my planet destroyed and been sent back in time. What will I do? Will I travel to my home planet and mention the advantages of putting a lot of research into Sun Stabilization Techniques? Nah, I think I'll just sulk for 25 years instead."

Idiot.

 

[Tarek71]

Nah, the biggest plothole was "I have just seen my planet destroyed and been sent back in time. What will I do? Will I travel to my home planet and mention the advantages of putting a lot of research into Sun Stabilization Techniques? Nah, I think I'll just sulk for 25 years instead."

Idiot.

Yeah, that was another doozie. They should have just said that it was the Temporal Cold War, and somebody from the future used a Trilithium bomb to destroy the Romulans' star in the late 24th century and do it in such a way that it looked like the Federation/Section 31 did it, and the surviving Romulans decide to send a ship to return the favor.

By going back in time, they can not only not only return the favor, but save Romulus at the same time.

Any better?

 

[TremblingBluStar]

Granted, the term plot hole is almost ever used properly. Still, I feel compelled to point out:

A plot hole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.
While many stories have unanswered questions, unlikely events or chance occurrences, a plot hole is one that is essential to the story's outcome. Plot holes are usually seen as weaknesses or flaws in a story, and writers usually try to avoid them to make their stories seem as realistic as possible.

A black hole needing to be in the center of the planet may not make sense given our current scientific understanding, but it is not a plot hole.

 

[sdayan]

Forget the mechanics of the drill, or what it took to create the black holes.

Kirk and Sulu disable the drill with conventional guns (too late, but still), and Spock destroys it on Earth with his small ship.

You mean no one though to fire anything at the drill while it was drilling a hole in the planet's surface. Even if we figure out thatthat the Vulcans either had no weapons or were not sure to fire on the drill, once it starts hitting Earth they should have been shooting all sorts of stuff to try to destroy it.

That, and the fact that the guy destroys Vulcan, Spock and Kirk are arguing over where to go and what to do, but no one checked out where Nero was headed and figured he might try to do the same thing once he got there?

I think Nero kind of tells Pike that he will not only SAVE ROMULUS but will ensure that it lives free of the Federation (I am pretty sure he planned to take care of the Klingons as well). So he probably would have saved Romulus, but first things first, Revenge.

 

[Jeyl]

Biggest plot hole? Uhura not being more useful.

 

[Dac]

Biggest Plot hole? For Me it has to be the Kelvin's Chief Engineer saying "Weapons are Down, Shields are at 34%" and in the very next shot, we see the Kelvin firing phasers.

Ruined the whole movie for me.

 

[Dac]

...You mean no one though to fire anything at the drill while it was drilling a hole in the planet's surface. Even if we figure out thatthat the Vulcans either had no weapons or were not sure to fire on the drill, once it starts hitting Earth they should have been shooting all sorts of stuff to try to destroy it.

That, and the fact that the guy destroys Vulcan, Spock and Kirk are arguing over where to go and what to do, but no one checked out where Nero was headed and figured he might try to do the same thing once he got there?

I think Nero kind of tells Pike that he will not only SAVE ROMULUS but will ensure that it lives free of the Federation (I am pretty sure he planned to take care of the Klingons as well). So he probably would have saved Romulus, but first things first, Revenge.

Im pretty sure any ships that were in a position to attack the drill were easily destroyed by the Narada before they could get close.

As for Were Nero is headed Next, there is a major plot point about Kirk telling Spock he's heading for Earth, and Spock instead follows orders and meets up with the fleet in the Lorentian system. The resulting argument ends up with Kirk being kicked off the ship and landing on Delta Vega.

 

[Trekwatcher]

Nah, the biggest plothole was "I have just seen my planet destroyed and been sent back in time. What will I do? Will I travel to my home planet and mention the advantages of putting a lot of research into Sun Stabilization Techniques? Nah, I think I'll just sulk for 25 years instead."

You got it. No, "Perhaps I will warn them. Perhaps we can avert this tragedy. I have knowledge of the future, an infinitely valuable thing!" Nope, we got, "Naah. I will just go on a wild killing rampage and destroy the planet of the person who tried to help."

 

[Tarek71]

Nah, the biggest plothole was "I have just seen my planet destroyed and been sent back in time. What will I do? Will I travel to my home planet and mention the advantages of putting a lot of research into Sun Stabilization Techniques? Nah, I think I'll just sulk for 25 years instead."

You got it. No, "Perhaps I will warn them. Perhaps we can avert this tragedy. I have knowledge of the future, an infinitely valuable thing!" Nope, we got, "Naah. I will just go on a wild killing rampage and destroy the planet of the person who tried to help."

Exactly. His ships technology could make the 2260's Romulan Empire vastly more powerful than the Federation or Klingons. He could not only save them, but make them practically invincible.

 

[Sky]

You got it. No, "Perhaps I will warn them. Perhaps we can avert this tragedy. I have knowledge of the future, an infinitely valuable thing!" Nope, we got, "Naah. I will just go on a wild killing rampage and destroy the planet of the person who tried to help."

And what's more, not only does Nero choose to run amok and destroy all chances of anyone helping Romulus in the future, but his crew is completely down with it as well.