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Frankly, if people kept up that attitude after TOS season 3, we wouldn't have any of the movies OR the spinoffs.
But No, I hated Enterprise and thought the last two seasons of Voyager were utter tripe. But my heart broke with the death of Enterprise nonetheless as it lead to the deprivation of Trek for five long years. With this movie being a success, the chances of an expanding universe increase almost exponentially now. The Trek name lives on. This movie isn't the most complex or the best written and it is by no means perfect, and the plot holes are literally the size of black holes. And yet virtually every goal that the movie set for itself, it knocked out of the park.
It seems VERY weird to me that one would wish their favorite franchise to fail in order to preserve it (ahem, the Selena's Manager brand of logic). That's also selfish as it deprives new and future viewers the pleasure that is Trek.
Either you read VERY fast (you opened the thread, read his post, and posted your 'reply', such as it was, in less than 4 mintues), or you didn't even read his entire post before posting what is quickly becoming your extremely tired one-note song. My guess is the later.
We get it. You hate it.
But it is completely unnecessary to blast away at a new fan, who we all should be DAMN GRATEFUL to have posting in here.
Without guys like him, this franchise was headed for oblivion faster than you can say "It's dead, Jim."
So how about you give the new guy a break and let him enjoy himself for 10 minutes before you start throwing water on his new-found fire?
Jesus.....
Oh...and the next time you do this it will be a warning for trolling.
You guys are making me sad. Fake Trek? Even if you don't like it, it's the Trek now. It exists. Just because you don't like you can't just close your eyes and make it go away.
I would think that fans of Trek would be exicted that new fans are being introduced to something they know and love. Maybe you don't like the new movie, but if it gets people like me to start watching the original movies, and the original series, then isn't it worth a little bit of annoyance on your part, for the greater good?
Would it be totally cheesy for me to quote Spock at this point?
The way I see it, this isn't so different from getting a new Star Trek show. Some of them you love, some of them you hate, but either way they are part of the franchise....
Any of you Harry Potter fans?
...the movies come out. And the whole message of these books that are so important to me is left out. Completely. But I go, and I enjoy them because they're still good movies....I don't compare them to each other.
NuTrek is not the original story. It's new actors, new stories, new time lines. Was the old one good? I don't know yet. I'm still working my way in...
The previous Trek movies and shows were all part of a single entity. All chapters of the same ongoing story. The movies WERE part of the same entity as the shows, and vice versa.
People are upset because this new movie is changing the past, doing so in certain ways that just CAN'T eventually be fixed. That means it changes EVERYTHING for even the later Trek stories (which take place a century later).
Everything that was gathered for 40 years has now been flushed, and they're going to miss it. Also certain MAJOR losses are being felt very deeply.
Vulcan has shown up in future Trek stories, and now it's GONE. They were major players, and now there are only 10,000 of them left? Their whole world is gone. Even a certain character from one of the later Trek series may not be able to EXIST, since his entire family may have died with the planet. Plus, Spock's mother... We only met her once on the show, and saw her again in one of the movies, but we "knew" her. Kirk's dad we'd only heard of. Amanda was a LADY and she had a place with us. Now, she's gone and DIED before the point in time we were even supposed to meet her. Now, the place she had in the story is empty, and CAN'T be filled.
Get to know all that came before, and you'll understand.
These weren't separate versions. They were all part of one thing and now that's been SHATTERED.
FORTY YEARS of continuity is ERASED, and there have been terrible losses as a part of it that can NEVER be undone.
The only way I'm "surviving" is that I've pretty much convinced myself that this isn't even the same universe, that we were never going to GET any more in the orginal Trek universe any more, and that this is a similar but alternate reality.
With this movie being a success, the chances of an expanding universe increase almost exponentially now.
Except, if what a fan enjoyed was the TNG-VOY timeline, then all the success of Star Trek is doing is making it that much harder for their universe to do anything other than contract. Think about it; they're hardly going to run a television show based on the original timeline now, since it would confuse all these new fans the film is trying to bring in, and the books (and there will be books) set in the new timeline will squeeze the old timeline's books out of the schedule.
For those of us who liked the TNG-VOY universe, it was trouble enough having to put up with ENT drawing attention away from the storylines we were following; now there's ENT and ST books to contend with!
Except, if what a fan enjoyed was the TNG-VOY timeline, then all the success of Star Trek is doing is making it that much harder for their universe to do anything other than contract.
I disagree. Trek has been revived. She looks a little different, but her heart is still beating, whereas she was at death's door not a scant few weeks ago.
If you consider this poor doppleganger a revival, which it isn't, put several story lines that were so posssible with the "original" timeline to an end.
The way I see it, this isn't so different from getting a new Star Trek show. Some of them you love, some of them you hate, but either way they are part of the franchise....
Any of you Harry Potter fans?
...the movies come out. And the whole message of these books that are so important to me is left out. Completely. But I go, and I enjoy them because they're still good movies....I don't compare them to each other.
NuTrek is not the original story. It's new actors, new stories, new time lines. Was the old one good? I don't know yet. I'm still working my way in...
The previous Trek movies and shows were all part of a single entity. All chapters of the same ongoing story. The movies WERE part of the same entity as the shows, and vice versa.
People are upset because this new movie is changing the past, doing so in certain ways that just CAN'T eventually be fixed. That means it changes EVERYTHING for even the later Trek stories (which take place a century later).
Everything that was gathered for 40 years has now been flushed, and they're going to miss it. Also certain MAJOR losses are being felt very deeply.
Vulcan has shown up in future Trek stories, and now it's GONE. They were major players, and now there are only 10,000 of them left? Their whole world is gone. Even a certain character from one of the later Trek series may not be able to EXIST, since his entire family may have died with the planet. Plus, Spock's mother... We only met her once on the show, and saw her again in one of the movies, but we "knew" her. Kirk's dad we'd only heard of. Amanda was a LADY and she had a place with us. Now, she's gone and DIED before the point in time we were even supposed to meet her. Now, the place she had in the story is empty, and CAN'T be filled.
Get to know all that came before, and you'll understand.
These weren't separate versions. They were all part of one thing and now that's been SHATTERED.
FORTY YEARS of continuity is ERASED, and there have been terrible losses as a part of it that can NEVER be undone.
The only way I'm "surviving" is that I've pretty much convinced myself that this isn't even the same universe, that we were never going to GET any more in the orginal Trek universe any more, and that this is a similar but alternate reality.
there is nothing stopping anything from being made in the old continuity since this new movie is an entirely new time line. The reason we haven't seen movies in the old time line? new audiences don't want it. They aren't impressed by that anymore. If this New Trek rejuvinates the franchise, isn't that a good thing? If my fandom was dying, and suddenly something came out that made fans rush to my side, I'd be grateful, even if I didn't like it.
And hey, if this gives Star Trek the kick it needs in the film industry, who's to say there won't be more stuff from the original time line somewhere down the line? I may be new, but I'm not completely clueless about this sort of thing. I'm a Buffy fan to the core, and though a lot of fans are choosing to disregard the fact that the story is continuing in comic books right now, I'm all for it, because it opens us up to a whole new audience that is willing to struggle along with us now.
I'm sorry our movie upset your world. But it happened. At least be grateful for the benefits it's bringing.
Either you read VERY fast (you opened the thread, read his post, and posted your 'reply', such as it was, in less than 4 mintues), or you didn't even read his entire post before posting what is quickly becoming your extremely tired one-note song. My guess is the later.
We get it. You hate it.
But it is completely unnecessary to blast away at a new fan, who we all should be DAMN GRATEFUL to have posting in here.
Without guys like him, this franchise was headed for oblivion faster than you can say "It's dead, Jim."
So how about you give the new guy a break and let him enjoy himself for 10 minutes before you start throwing water on his new-found fire?
Jesus.....
Oh...and the next time you do this it will be a warning for trolling.
I disagree. Trek has been revived. She looks a little different, but her heart is still beating, whereas she was at death's door not a scant few weeks ago.
If you consider this poor doppleganger a revival, which it isn't, put several story lines that were so posssible with the "original" timeline to an end.
This movie is a revival, as we're seeing at the box office and the uptick in TOS merchandise selling. People are becoming interested in Star Trek again. It is breathing new life into the body of work. You don't like it? That's okay, but it is here, it is Star Trek, and it is staying. It is now established canon.
You know what? This thread is not really working out for you.
You trolled a brand new poster (most probably without even reading his post, based on the time stamps), and then when someone called you on it, you went after them like you were the victim.
Sorry. Zero tolerance for this sort of silliness this week.
Except, if what a fan enjoyed was the TNG-VOY timeline, then all the success of Star Trek is doing is making it that much harder for their universe to do anything other than contract.
Except, I didn't actually enjoy 'one'. I was enjoying the TNG and DS9 novel lines, and I might have enjoyed a series set, say, a generation after VOY. But now those novel lines are going to be even more slow moving (hell, it's like one DS9 novel a year already!) and there's virtually no chance that we'll see anything, on film or television, related to the old continuity for the next five or ten years, at least.
This is what a lot of the fans of the new movie don't seem to get about those of us who aren't. Popularity is not intrinsically good. I don't care that Star Trek is more popular now, because to me, it only got that way by tossing out all the things that I actually liked, and replacing them with things that I don't.
This movie is a revival, as we're seeing at the box office and the uptick in TOS merchandise selling. People are becoming interested in Star Trek again. It is breathing new life into the body of work. You don't like it? That's okay, but it is here, it is Star Trek, and it is staying. It is now established canon.
Thank you. I knew coming into this fandom would be intimidating and I knew I'd be a minority in really loving the movie, but this gives me hope that there might be a place for me in your fandom.
The way I see it, this isn't so different from getting a new Star Trek show. Some of them you love, some of them you hate, but either way they are part of the franchise....
Any of you Harry Potter fans?
...the movies come out. And the whole message of these books that are so important to me is left out. Completely. But I go, and I enjoy them because they're still good movies....I don't compare them to each other.
NuTrek is not the original story. It's new actors, new stories, new time lines. Was the old one good? I don't know yet. I'm still working my way in...
The previous Trek movies and shows were all part of a single entity. All chapters of the same ongoing story. The movies WERE part of the same entity as the shows, and vice versa.
People are upset because this new movie is changing the past, doing so in certain ways that just CAN'T eventually be fixed. That means it changes EVERYTHING for even the later Trek stories (which take place a century later).
Everything that was gathered for 40 years has now been flushed, and they're going to miss it. Also certain MAJOR losses are being felt very deeply.
Vulcan has shown up in future Trek stories, and now it's GONE. They were major players, and now there are only 10,000 of them left? Their whole world is gone. Even a certain character from one of the later Trek series may not be able to EXIST, since his entire family may have died with the planet. Plus, Spock's mother... We only met her once on the show, and saw her again in one of the movies, but we "knew" her. Kirk's dad we'd only heard of. Amanda was a LADY and she had a place with us. Now, she's gone and DIED before the point in time we were even supposed to meet her. Now, the place she had in the story is empty, and CAN'T be filled.
Get to know all that came before, and you'll understand.
These weren't separate versions. They were all part of one thing and now that's been SHATTERED.
FORTY YEARS of continuity is ERASED, and there have been terrible losses as a part of it that can NEVER be undone.
The only way I'm "surviving" is that I've pretty much convinced myself that this isn't even the same universe, that we were never going to GET any more in the orginal Trek universe any more, and that this is a similar but alternate reality.
there is nothing stopping anything from being made in the old continuity since this new movie is an entirely new time line. The reason we haven't seen movies in the old time line? new audiences don't want it. They aren't impressed by that anymore. If this New Trek rejuvinates the franchise, isn't that a good thing? If my fandom was dying, and suddenly something came out that made fans rush to my side, I'd be grateful, even if I didn't like it.
And hey, if this gives Star Trek the kick it needs in the film industry, who's to say there won't be more stuff from the original time line somewhere down the line? I may be new, but I'm not completely clueless about this sort of thing. I'm a Buffy fan to the core, and though a lot of fans are choosing to disregard the fact that the story is continuing in comic books right now, I'm all for it, because it opens us up to a whole new audience that is willing to struggle along with us now.
I'm sorry our movie upset your world. But it happened. At least be grateful for the benefits it's bringing.
I think the problem with more rational critics is that the benefits from this style of Trek are somewhat dubious. I, for one, am not upset that we have a new style in general, but that the nature of the new style opens up Trek to a degenerative interpretation of the Spirit in which Trek was made. IF, and I am not passing judgment on the second movie until whenever it is released, IF the second movie is also very much an action movie with the trappings of Trek and lacking in a more sophisticated plot and message, it would mean a reduction of the new incarnation of the series as a whole. People give a pass on the first try, but to repeat the same again? That would be to falter.
A flashy, action-packed trek without a more sophisticated spirit on the first try can be excused, it is understandable. On the second? That shows a lack of vision on the part of the creators and a more bleak outlook in general.
Except, if what a fan enjoyed was the TNG-VOY timeline, then all the success of Star Trek is doing is making it that much harder for their universe to do anything other than contract.
Except, I didn't actually enjoy 'one'. I was enjoying the TNG and DS9 novel lines, and I might have enjoyed a series set, say, a generation after VOY. But now those novel lines are going to be even more slow moving (hell, it's like one DS9 novel a year already!) and there's virtually no chance that we'll see anything, on film or television, related to the old continuity for the next five or ten years, at least.
This is what a lot of the fans of the new movie don't seem to get about those of us who aren't. Popularity is not intrinsically good. I don't care that Star Trek is more popular now, because to me, it only got that way by tossing out all the things that I actually liked, and replacing them with things that I don't.
I understand how you feel. I do, but you have to keep in mind that Star Trek does move on, and it grows. It adapts.
The books that you know will diminish to a trickle. They will come back, as people wax nostalgic, but they will have to make way for what is new. That is the order of things, no matter how much we love them.
I disagree. Trek has been revived. She looks a little different, but her heart is still beating, whereas she was at death's door not a scant few weeks ago.
If you consider this poor doppleganger a revival, which it isn't, put several story lines that were so posssible with the "original" timeline to an end.
This movie is a revival, as we're seeing at the box office and the uptick in TOS merchandise selling. People are becoming interested in Star Trek again. It is breathing new life into the body of work. You don't like it? That's okay, but it is here, it is Star Trek, and it is staying. It is now established canon.
At work today I heard a nurse talking about Star Trek, and how her son, who was not originally a Trek Fan had seen it and told her to watch it, and not only did she go see it and like it, but that they rented Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock to get more into the characters and more background. And she liked both movies, even though she ignored them for years before this.
I was surprised, but there is real interest going on. Its not a Harry Potter phenomenon or anything, but its definetly generating interest. Thats a good thing.
This movie is a revival, as we're seeing at the box office and the uptick in TOS merchandise selling. People are becoming interested in Star Trek again. It is breathing new life into the body of work. You don't like it? That's okay, but it is here, it is Star Trek, and it is staying. It is now established canon.
Thank you. I knew coming into this fandom would be intimidating and I knew I'd be a minority in really loving the movie, but this gives me hope that there might be a place for me in your fandom.
You love the movie, which puts you in the majority. The movie is actually very popular, and true, popularity does not make something right or wrong, but it does show that you are not the only one.
Star Trek has something for everyone, and now it has something for you. Welcome, I think you'll enjoy the ride.
At work today I heard a nurse talking about Star Trek, and how her son, who was not originally a Trek Fan had seen it and told her to watch it, and not only did she go see it and like it, but that they rented Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock to get more into the characters and more background. And she liked both movies, even though she ignored them for years before this.
I was surprised, but there is real interest going on. Its not a Harry Potter phenomenon or anything, but its definetly generating interest. Thats a good thing.
Yes, it is good. People will see this new movie, then they will become curious about Star Trek in general, and the more people who are accepting and open minded, the more people will like what they see and stay. This is life coming anew for Star Trek, and I am glad to be a part of it.
You know what? This thread is not really working out for you.
You trolled a brand new poster (most probably without even reading his post, based on the time stamps), and then when someone called you on it, you went after them like you were the victim.
Sorry. Zero tolerance for this sort of silliness this week.
