Original Crew = A Step Back?

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: Was the movie sexist?

If you smiled at her afterward, like Kirk did, I would consider you to be sexist and a pervert.

What would you have such a person do, shoot angry glares? As if that won't look strange.

No, smiling after such an accident doesn't make him a pervert at all. It simply makes him social.

Drooling, however, and breathing down her neck is something different.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: Was the movie sexist?

The ratio of candy for the female crowd as opposed as the candy for the male crowd is quite uneven.

Unless you are gay... - Pine Yelchin Urban Cho Hemsworth

Indeed. Still proves my point.

 

[Rusty0918]

DiSiLLUSION

Yeah I see where you're getting at here. But I'm going to rebutt you here. What they should do is keep that sexy garb for off-duty wear, like in the two pilots "The Cage" and "WNMHGB" we saw a few women in tennis skirts but they were off-duty civilian garb. That's OK. But on duty...

Hear me out. You think Patton would allow that in any quasi-military service? I keep thinking of the scene in the 1970 movie where he is one of the barracks and sees a pinup girl picture on the wall. He of course is taken in by it initially which goes to show you that even he has a weakness. He then whacks the picture off with a swagger stick going "This is a barracks, not a bodello!" The same goes here. This is a quasi-military service, not some colorguard or baton twirling organizaiton.

 

[T'Paul]

Re: Was the movie sexist?

The ratio of candy for the female crowd as opposed as the candy for the male crowd is quite uneven.

Unless you are gay... - Pine Yelchin Urban Cho Hemsworth

Didn't Yelchin play a 17 year old...

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: Was the movie sexist?

DiSiLLUSION

Yeah I see where you're getting at here. But I'm going to rebutt you here. What they should do is keep that sexy garb for off-duty wear, like in the two pilots "The Cage" and "WNMHGB" we saw a few women in tennis skirts but they were off-duty civilian garb. That's OK. But on duty...

Hear me out. You think Patton would allow that in any quasi-military service? I keep thinking of the scene in the 1970 movie where he is one of the barracks and sees a pinup girl picture on the wall. He of course is taken in by it initially which goes to show you that even he has a weakness. He then whacks the picture off with a swagger stick going "This is a barracks, not a bodello!" The same goes here. This is a quasi-military service, not some colorguard or baton twirling organizaiton.

I do understand where you're coming from. It doesn't look like a proper uniform. But then again, the bright, primary colors don't either. And, by the same token, I think those ridiculous jumpsuits of the later Star Trek series threw the whole 'military uniform' idea out of the window anyway, you know?

The ratio of candy for the female crowd as opposed as the candy for the male crowd is quite uneven.

Unless you are gay... - Pine Yelchin Urban Cho Hemsworth

Didn't Yelchin play a 17 year old...

Play being the operative word here; I highly doubt he's really 17.

Besides, it's not as if someone looks radically older a month after his/her 18th birthday then before, you know. It goes more gradually then that.

 

[Rusty0918]

Well, yeah, the TOS uniform designs did have their fair share of flaws. That's one of the good things about the TWOK ones, that they didn't have those absurd primary colors.

Yeah, I'm not too crazy about the jumpsuits. My two favorite uniform verisons were the ones introduced in First Contact and the TWOK ones.

Like I say, there are right ways and wrong ways to show sexy on Trek. The cocktail dress uniforms are unfortunatley to me a WRONG way.

 

[Lythia]

Re: Was the movie sexist?

And yes, the miniskirts. Finally something realistic (real women wear them too, you know) back in Star Trek after been taken out of the show by (assumed) feminist gangs.

Realistic? Please... only for the fact that some women wear miniskirts. It makes utterly no sense for women aboard a starship to be wearing them as an active duty uniform. That's so utterly unrealistic, it's laughable. It's in there as a nod to the original series, and to show off ZS's fabulous legs. Nothing more, nothing less.

Realistic... LOL.

 

[T'Paul]

Re: Was the movie sexist?

And yes, the miniskirts. Finally something realistic (real women wear them too, you know) back in Star Trek after been taken out of the show by (assumed) feminist gangs.

Realistic? Please... only for the fact that some women wear miniskirts. It makes utterly no sense for women aboard a starship to be wearing them as an active duty uniform. That's so utterly unrealistic, it's laughable. It's in there as a nod to the original series, and to show off ZS's fabulous legs. Nothing more, nothing less.

Realistic... LOL.

That's why his username is DiSiLLUSiON.

 

[Goliath]

Re: Was the movie sexist?

It makes utterly no sense for women aboard a starship to be wearing them as an active duty uniform.

Indeed. Historically, putting women soldiers and sailors in skirts was a way of preserving gender roles, and indicating their noncombatant status.

And even in the era of the world wars, women soldiers and sailors generally only wore skirts on parade, or when doing clerical work. When they were called upon to work outside of an office-type environment, the skirts disappeared in a hurry.

 

[perigee]

There's some kind of false argument in all this.

This was STAR TREK. Captain Kirk. Mr. Spock...
...and the question at hand is why isn't this a different crew? Why isn't it Captain Janice Rand, and Mrs. Tuvok?

Well... because this was STAR TREK. Silly.

You could have tried to sell "Starship Exeter," with a different crew. They did, actually. Several times. TNG, with a woman doctor and security officer, then Deep Space Nine, with Kyra Naris, then Voyage with Captain Janeway, the Enterprise with that Vulcan woman.

And here we are, until this point, on life support, writing out the will.

Now - lets say you somehow managed to sell Paramount on some all-new Trek crew combo. Somehow, you even managed to get them to bet 150M on it. More than half the sell on this film was the Original Crew. Remove that buzz, and what do you have? And if the ticket sales are not enough to pay for the monster, where's your next franchise op? Is it Then OK to try the original crew, or should we just keep tossing different mixes together and hope something works.

If you want a She-Trek, or a Gay-Trek, or a Black-Trek or a Klingon-Trek, or Whatever-Trek, your chances just got a whole lot better than they were two years ago. What was it - "If you're going to the Kentucky Derby...?"

They brought out the hardest card they had up their sleeves - which is what they HAD to do, in a desperate, last-gasp attempt at relevance.

 

[T'Paul]

There's some kind of false argument in all this.

This was STAR TREK. Captain Kirk. Mr. Spock...
...and the question at hand is why isn't this a different crew? Why isn't it Captain Janice Rand, and Mrs. Tuvok?

Well... because this was STAR TREK. Silly.

You could have tried to sell "Starship Exeter," with a different crew. They did, actually. Several times. TNG, with a woman doctor and security officer, then Deep Space Nine, with Kyra Naris, then Voyage with Captain Janeway, the Enterprise with that Vulcan woman.

And here we are, until this point, on life support, writing out the will.

Now - lets say you somehow managed to sell Paramount on some all-new Trek crew combo. Somehow, you even managed to get them to bet 150M on it. More than half the sell on this film was the Original Crew. Remove that buzz, and what do you have? And if the ticket sales are not enough to pay for the monster, where's your next franchise op? Is it Then OK to try the original crew, or should we just keep tossing different mixes together and hope something works.

If you want a She-Trek, or a Gay-Trek, or a Black-Trek or a Klingon-Trek, or Whatever-Trek, your chances just got a whole lot better than they were two years ago. What was it - "If you're going to the Kentucky Derby...?"

They brought out the hardest card they had up their sleeves - which is what they HAD to do, in a desperate, last-gasp attempt at relevance.

I don't think that justifies sexism.

 

[Jeyl]

This was STAR TREK. Captain Kirk. Mr. Spock...
...and the question at hand is why isn't this a different crew? Why isn't it Captain Janice Rand, and Mrs. Tuvok?

Well... because this was STAR TREK. Silly.

The STAR TREK you're referring to perigee is the Star Trek that was the result of sexism. I'm just pointing out that by going with the original crew of Star Trek post-season two, the series is taking a step backwards in the gender aspect that Gene Roddenberry had originally intended for the show from the beginning. He put a female first officer on the bridge (that DIDN'T wear a mini-skirt) and thanks to the studios her character was written out of the future pilot.

 

[perigee]

It may well have - but they played their strongest card, figuring that if anything had a chance, this was it.

And, apparently, it worked.

Because it worked, at least this version of Trek will probably remain what it is. Which is a shame; at the moment, I'm watching a show on the History Channel that reminds me of the morality plays that we will never see with this crew - because this version will, in all likelihood, never embrace it. I feel that loss. But I understand the necessity.

All we can hope for is what may bring us back, down the line. And, since this original, sexist, moral-less, pointless action movie is making that possible, I accept it for what it is - a chance for life at the brink of death. As much as I might have liked to change this format in a number of ways, I'm glad they did not - we have a future now, and with it brings new opportunities. You can eat the chicken, or harvest the eggs.

 

[ST-One]

Re: Was the movie sexist?

The ratio of candy for the female crowd as opposed as the candy for the male crowd is quite uneven.

Unless you are gay... - Pine Yelchin Urban Cho Hemsworth

Didn't Yelchin play a 17 year old...

Yelchin is 21. But 17 isn't too young anyway...

 

[erebus]

I would say 'watch this space': on the one hand we have the potential and excitement of the old time TOS suddenly reincarnated which we know readily lent itself to the issues of its time last time around. And now we have it in 2009. I am sure all concerns about equality will be addressed. Anything literally is possible now (main crew members could even die, not just red shirts! Crew could be added. I remember an animated star trek episode where the first officer was an andorian for example).

A step back with hindsight is not a step back exactly, its a stepping forwards with experience.

As for uniforms, well it shoudn't matter if you walked around naked apart from insignia - i bet some species at that time do: by that time hopefully, we get past what people look like and regard them as more than that.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: Was the movie sexist?

That's why his username is DiSiLLUSiON.

Very perceptive dear sir.

 

[ROBE]

As for miniskirts being unsuitable for a ship, the Royal Navy has had both sexes wearing shorts in hot climates for decades on ships.
Certain people are only happy when women are forced into being asexual clones. Some people are anti-feminine.
Also men have being wearing kilts in Scottish Regiments of the British Army for centuries.

 

[T'Paul]

As for miniskirts being unsuitable for a ship, the Royal Navy has had both sexes wearing shorts in hot climates for decades on ships.
Certain people are only happy when women are forced into being asexual clones. Some people are anti-feminine.
Also men have being wearing kilts in Scottish Regiments of the British Army for centuries.

Miniskirt != shorts

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

I think the casual TOS fan would be confused by the presence of Number One, esp if they haven't seen the show in 30-40 yrs

 

[USS Gettysburg]

JJ didn't write the movie script... Orci & Kurtzman (Sp?) did.

They ALSO wrote episodes for Alias, and even Xena. And just because J.J. isn't writing it doesn't mean he didn't have influence in the matter.

Also explains why MI:III was the lowest grossing movie of the series as of yet doesn't it...

Right, cuz Transformers did awful.