So after Old Spock's explanation do you guys still consider this "Trekverse 2.0?" Or do you think it's the same continuity as original TOS?
Trekverse 2.0 (possible spoilers!)
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It seems to me that this has to be considered a different timeline or universe than the Trek we know - hell, Vulcan exists in TOS, but in this timeline it's been destroyed (and, please, let's not have a convoluted explanation of the Vulcan in TOS being the new Vulcan colony...). But I think part of the idea is that while unexpected things may happen, these are still at the core the characters - and this is the universe - we know and love, albeit in a different guise. It's still Star Trek, just not necessarily Star Trek Approved Timeline #84397-A
As Starfleet is pretty strict with violations of the time line, I -for one- am pretty sure they'll have to find a way to put Spock back to the future in order to make sure the past isn't what the future made of it... erhm, you know what I mean... right?
Sure it's a complicated thing to do
Yes, I guess I am able to think of both continuities as one. I figure all it really takes is a little imagination.
If anybody tries to rectify the timelines, I'm sure a head would explode. It's definitely different.
They were just ''Theorizeing'' that all these events were caused by Spock Prime & Nero.
Definitely an alternate timeline. In the Prime timeline, Vulcan is around, but Romulus isn't. In the new timeline, Vulcan isn't around, but Romulus is.
I imagine Spock's efforts to reunify Romulans and Vulcans will be redoubled now. Romulus is all he has left.
I imagine Spock's efforts to reunify Romulans and Vulcans will be redoubled now. Romulus is all he has left.
I don't give it any thought whatsoever.
Yeah but if you paid attention to the film, Vulcan was around up until NOW. It was only destroyed in this timeline because Nero saw Romulas getting destroyed, so he wanted Spock to see Vulcan destroyed. And the only reason we have this new timeline is because of Nero going back in time and killing Kirk's father. So I consider this timeline to be the same as the other if you look at it like this.
Hey in 40 years time when the reboot gets rebooted we'll all be having the same discussion. I have no problem with the new time line at all. Wait unitl you have plot twists which enable charaters from one time-line to jump to the other then it'll all start getting confusing.
I like this new trek; it's exciting. 
However, it depends... if there will be more movies, then yes, this is my Star Trek. Doesn't mean I won't lovingly watch the old episodes, but it'll not be the same universe -- even though it looks like it.
However, it depends... if there will be more movies, then yes, this is my Star Trek. Doesn't mean I won't lovingly watch the old episodes, but it'll not be the same universe -- even though it looks like it.
It's NU-TREK!
It may not be much, but for me just the fact Nimoy's Spock still EXISTS (and remembers the original history) after all the tampering by Nero is reason enough to accept that this is an alternate timeline.
If he was simply the older version of the alternate Quinto Spock, he would have remembered kicking Kirk off the ship at some point. Along with all the other events Quinto's Spock went through in this movie.
If he was simply the older version of the alternate Quinto Spock, he would have remembered kicking Kirk off the ship at some point. Along with all the other events Quinto's Spock went through in this movie.
Could not agree more.
Difficult to begin to describe why this could not be. But for one: the ship he came in could not have been build.
As I see it we are in some kind of loop in time, at least for now.
That's my number one problem with complete enjoyment of this film. If I were to accept this story, I would have to discount Journey To Babel, Amok Time and literally hundreds of other things that made me love Trek in the first place. I'm not nitpicking canon, I'm talking continuity. Something even Enterprise didn't trample over with such reckless abandon. I thought it was a fine film, the principle cast was surprisingly good and I look forward to seeing where they go from here; But as far as I'm concerned It's just not one hundred percent Star Trek. To be honest, I wish that they had had the balls to send Nimoy fishing with Shatner and just done a straight forward reboot. At least then we wouldn't have to worry about will this happen or did that happen. Sadly the producers wanted the best of both worlds and just couldn't let this crew launch on their own steam. So now were left with a fun two hour movie and a fragmented fourty year history. 2.0? 3.0, at least.
This being Trek, I think we have a temporal paradox on our hands. IMHO the original timeline and universe as we knew it no longer exists, even though Spock Prime does. We now have a new universe and I agree that the stories we knew from the original won't get told here. The Cage comes to mind....think about that one. I enjoyed the movie but I'd sure like to know how it is that the death of Kirk's father affects more than just the life of his wife and son.
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