Nimoy as Spock - Poor Direction or Poor Editing? (SPOILERS)
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If anything, I thought Nimoy's presence gave Zachary Quinto a somewhat unfair disadvantage, as he had to convince in his part while the original was also there. But considering that, he did quite okay (I admit I liked many other performances in the film better). Another aspect of this is that younger Spock was cast by the story as an antagonist most of the time while the audience is asked to side with Kirk. But of course this is resolved by the end - and Spock Prime plays a significant part in this. Kirk and Spock would probably still be at odds at the end if Spock Prime had not revealed to Kirk that they would become the best of friends and that they needed to work together for the good of the universe itself. Therefore, I think too that Nimoy is essential here storywise.
Also, it's just a thrill seeing that legend on screen once again, after 18 years absence no less. All of his scenes were wonderfully emotional (which is funny considering his character of course).
Also, it's just a thrill seeing that legend on screen once again, after 18 years absence no less. All of his scenes were wonderfully emotional (which is funny considering his character of course).
One aspect I did enjoy is how human Original Recipe Spock seemed, this really followed on from his development in STVI ("Logic is the beginning of wisdom- not the end." probably the most important thing Spock ever said.) and Unification. I think he 'earned' to be as different as he was at the end, and it was a pleasing endpoint, one that bought me a lot of satisfaction, especially with new recipe Spock contrasting him at the other end.
We're getting pretty far afield of what I am looking at and considering in starting this thread... While I accept that the closing sequence was the first filmed and was somewhat awkward, it seemed that Quinto was rushing over Nimoy's words as soon as he spoke them. I felt they deserved a modicum of a pause between the two in order to allow Nimoy's presence to work.
On Delta Vega, the entire mind meld sequence felt hideously contrived; it didn't work for me at all.
Throughout the film, it seemed like Nimoy was rushed - at least that is my perception (and complaint!)... but again, that's my take, and I appear to be in the significant minority on this.
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On Delta Vega, the entire mind meld sequence felt hideously contrived; it didn't work for me at all.
Throughout the film, it seemed like Nimoy was rushed - at least that is my perception (and complaint!)... but again, that's my take, and I appear to be in the significant minority on this.
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Well, I think you were hoping (like a lot of us) that Nimoy's scenes in the movie would be undeniably beautifully done. All of us older fans especially probably wanted to see him steal the show in his realtively short but important time on screen. Nothing wrong with that.
It's too bad they couldn't have shot that "first last scene" with Quinto another time if Nimoy was uncomfortable with it.
Nimoy also has to carry a scene of mostly exposition in the mind meld. In a fast-paced movie, that scene is going to seem out of place. Some other critics noted it as well.
No, in fact I know what you mean. There was an awkward element to these scenes. But I also thought it was more than made up for by the sheer emotional impact the scenes had. I'm specifically referring to the mind meld and the images of a broken Spock seeing his planet destroyed and surrendering to Nero. I don't know if I misremember, but wasn't he on his knees on the Narada?
Does anyone know what his last line, "Thrusters at Full," was supposed to mean? The only thing my dad and I could come up with was when Shatner's Kirk gave the order when leaving spacedock in, I believe Star Trek either Star Trek II or VI.
Nope, didn't see what you saw and I don't think awkward pauses would help.
I thought he had a lot of the best lines in the movie.
I thought Nimoy was great and absolutely essential to the movie. I was actually grateful for the scenes on Delta Vega with him that enabled some thinking and consideration without the constant space action.
The whole movie was rushed from my point of view. That doesn't mean I didn't love it and think it worked beautifully. But it was very, very fast, and even though Nimoy's scenes were slightly less so, they still were at a pace we're not used to in Trek.
The whole movie was rushed from my point of view. That doesn't mean I didn't love it and think it worked beautifully. But it was very, very fast, and even though Nimoy's scenes were slightly less so, they still were at a pace we're not used to in Trek.
I don't think you're kidding, but if you are, sorry.
This franchise has to look forward. I think that including Nimoy was a tremendous nod to the old-timer fans (like myself) and a fine way of passing the torch, but it's got to end now. This new crew has to go on to find its own direction without any additional reliance upon the old cast. At least, I hope that this film is successful enough to spawn further adventures.
Funny how I advocate looking forward when they're actually going back, isn't it?
Yes, but it's going back to the enduring mythology, which is ageless, not the actors.
Third time's the charm *DeafPoet* I think this is as close as Trekkies can get to consensus!
When he said that, I had to do my best "I will not cry" internal monologue. I was so jazzed at that point by the awesomeness of the flick that seeing Nimoy was the proverbial cherry on the whipped cream. It felt so right for him to be there. His presence just grounded things and each scene he did was great. I enjoyed his exchange with his younger self at the end but in retrospect, I can tell how it was the first scene he filmed. He seemed more at ease in the ice cave scene.
I think it's just the standard order the Captain gives whenever he takes the ship out.
Plus it sybolizes the beginning of a new chapter for this crew.
Really? I hated how they turned Spock's touching farewell into a cliche to be reused.
He was remembering the times when he was young and gallavanting across the stars with James T. Kirk.
I thought that the line was well-delivered and bittersweet.
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