It equally stands to reason that the original timeline still exists. And the fact that the original show is not suddenly going to disappear kind of proves that point.
Use your imagination. It's not that difficult to rectify this problem.
Why I refuse to ever watch this movie
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Use your imagination. It's not that difficult to rectify this problem.
For fucks sake..
This forum really needs a sticky with capital, bold letters, flashing lights and red alert sound that will inform people that the past Trek was not erased, all the dvds were not scratched and the new movie takes place in a new alternate universe.
Alternate timelines and alternate universes are not the same thing...
They're words in a story. You don't know what they mean apart from the context of a specific story. And since you haven't seen this movie, you know nothing interesting about it.
THIS is why this new film is a bad thing- it's tossing decades of established Star trek out the window so johnny come lately Trekkers can have clean slate Star Trek. Why not just claim the Klingons are really Ferengi dressed as cardassians?
Applesauce still comes from apples. Alternate universes happen because timelines play out differently...it doesn't always have to be an entirely different event. It could be the difference between Ensign Redshirt brushing his teeth at 0800 or putting it off until 0900.
The problem is that onscreen Trek has NEVER been consistent with their time travel. Whether a reality stays or goes is entirely dependent on whether it feeds the drama of the moment.
Need a fun, sexy, dark alternate reality people can occasionally skip into and do things they wouldn't in the usual family friendly one? We'll hang on to that mirrorverse. Need to create a little drama but not have it carry over and tick of a portion of the fans? Yeah, we can just erase that one.
It's ridiculous.
Why don't the people who complain about the new timeline ("there can be only one!") simply give away all their old Star Trek stuff to people who still care? That way it'll all be in good hands, and there's not a problem in sight. 
Exactly.For fucks sake..
This forum really needs a sticky with capital, bold letters, flashing lights and red alert sound that will inform people that the past Trek was not erased, all the dvds were not scratched and the new movie takes place in a new alternate universe.
Alternate timelines and alternate universes are not the same thing...
They're words in a story. You don't know what they mean apart from the context of a specific story. And since you haven't seen this movie, you know nothing interesting about it.
If we start saying that this new movie takes place in an Alternate Universe instead of an Alternate Timeline, will that fix the problem? Because I will gladly start using that term if it helps.
I hear there was no Robert April in the movie. HE was the 1st captain of the Enterprise, not Pike
Only to folks obsessed with fanon. He made a single appearance in a cartoon the studio doesn't acknowledge as part of canon.
You're wrong. This movie is a very good thing. But, since you haven't seen it you really wouldn't know one way or the other.
For fucks sake..
This forum really needs a sticky with capital, bold letters, flashing lights and red alert sound that will inform people that the past Trek was not erased, all the dvds were not scratched and the new movie takes place in a new alternate universe.
Alternate timelines and alternate universes are not the same thing...
It's still an alternate timeline. It was the same until First Contact. Zefram Cochrane shot the Vulcans and set off a different chain of events.
For fucks sake..
This forum really needs a sticky with capital, bold letters, flashing lights and red alert sound that will inform people that the past Trek was not erased, all the dvds were not scratched and the new movie takes place in a new alternate universe.
Alternate timelines and alternate universes are not the same thing...
It's still an alternate timeline. It was the same until First Contact. Zefram Cochrane shot the Vulcans and set off a different chain of events.
Then let me ask you this..back to my 'Yesterday's Enterprise' comparison- when the Enterprise C went back into the rift, why did the war filled alternate timeline cease to exist?
I don't care either way. I enjoyed the new movie and have no "issues" with it from a "canon" standpoint at all. However, I was bringing up the point that drives most, though not all, of these complainers. It's not really about "canon violations" or "design differences" or whatnot (and I don't care how loudly those complainers might protest otherwise). It's because the "powers that be" have decided to no longer cater to their familiar, comfortable surroundings.
Because there is more than one sort of Time Travel in the Star Trek Universe, as demonstrated by multiple episodes across all the series.
I'm surprised a "true" fan like yourself doesn't know this.
I just bought my ticket for the 8:00 PM show this evening! 
I don't see a Star Trek film to 'enjoy' it, I go to make sure it honors the established canon and legacy of TOS. If I DO see the film, I will have a clipboard in hand and will write down all the mistakes and violations of canon I see,,,
Although Kirk’s Brain's original post was bordering on trolling and some of the later comments arrogant to the extreme (basically – reading between the lines here – that if you liked this film or embraced it in any form or fashion you are somehow a Trek heretic or not a “real” fan of Star Trek), I can relate to some of the later gripes expressed about this film.
I so desperately wanted to leave the theatre last night head over heels in love with this film, but I did not. It was thrilling, well crafted, and reverent of all things Trek – I really loved it, but, at the same time there is this strange, I don’t know, sadness or conflict or something going on in me emotionally about what was there on the screen and what it means to me as a fan of that fictional universe. I think that there is just a lot there to digest and it may take a second viewing to really identify what’s eating at me about this – or to discover I really am in love with this iteration of Trek.
Hmm . . . I don’t know. I can happily say one thing; my wife really loved it and wants to see it again (as do I).
I so desperately wanted to leave the theatre last night head over heels in love with this film, but I did not. It was thrilling, well crafted, and reverent of all things Trek – I really loved it, but, at the same time there is this strange, I don’t know, sadness or conflict or something going on in me emotionally about what was there on the screen and what it means to me as a fan of that fictional universe. I think that there is just a lot there to digest and it may take a second viewing to really identify what’s eating at me about this – or to discover I really am in love with this iteration of Trek.
Hmm . . . I don’t know. I can happily say one thing; my wife really loved it and wants to see it again (as do I).
I think we've just been 'punked'.
This is true. I guess my point is that the realization there is about three years overdue for them. You know, CBS might do an animated series or something in the old continuity (and it might be real good and fun), but that's about it.
I'm going to save us all the suspense of what I'm sure is a really gripping argument you've lined up here and skip to the end. Time travel isn't real in a practical sense.
So basically, it works however the fuck the storyteller says it works.
Thank you for posting that. No need to respond any further. If you are serious, well (I can't really say what I would like--it's not the forum to do so). If you're not serious, then you've simply been trolling. Either way, I'm done with responding to you.
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