Star Trek XII
- Thread starter urbandk
- Start date
I haven't seen it yet but I have been watching a lot of the promotion machine. Two things strike me about JJ Abrams. One, he goes on a lot about how he wasn't ever able to relate to the enigma that was Kirk. I think this is shorthand for saying he really wanted to tell his origin story. Now that the novelty of that and reinventing the look and all that is over, what's next?
Well, the second thing I've noticed is that Abrams is big into "mystery". He goes on a lot about the allure of the unknown and the magic of not knowing what's going to happen next. So I wonder if the next movie might not involve something of that nature. He never mentions the other movies that I've seen but I would think that TMP would have appealed to this side of him more than any other.
However with this new emphasis on including the non-fan I'm not sure where exactly he'd go. I suppose that'd lean toward some bullshit with Klingons or something but I'm not so sure that would be satisfying to him. So I guess I'm picturing some kind of mysterious menace that could still have lots of "blockbuster" stuff happening for a bit of both worlds kind of thing.
Oh and I haven't looked for many spoilers so I don't know if mystery plays a big role in this movie or not. The previews don't suggest such but the source of the villain and old Spock might yield opportunities for that.
And the title will be Star Trek: Rise of the XXXXXX
Well, the second thing I've noticed is that Abrams is big into "mystery". He goes on a lot about the allure of the unknown and the magic of not knowing what's going to happen next. So I wonder if the next movie might not involve something of that nature. He never mentions the other movies that I've seen but I would think that TMP would have appealed to this side of him more than any other.
However with this new emphasis on including the non-fan I'm not sure where exactly he'd go. I suppose that'd lean toward some bullshit with Klingons or something but I'm not so sure that would be satisfying to him. So I guess I'm picturing some kind of mysterious menace that could still have lots of "blockbuster" stuff happening for a bit of both worlds kind of thing.
Oh and I haven't looked for many spoilers so I don't know if mystery plays a big role in this movie or not. The previews don't suggest such but the source of the villain and old Spock might yield opportunities for that.
And the title will be Star Trek: Rise of the XXXXXX
An idea has been floating around in my head for some time now: What would happen if Kirk met Q? Star Trek XII might be an opportunity to find out. Abrams would't have to twist around reality much, as we already have a prototype Q (The Squire of Gothos). Yes, I know Kirk already encountered the squire, but this would be different. The squire is irritating in a kind, honest sort of way (If that's possible), where Q is more of a practical joker. Who knows? Maybe Abrams will see this and agree with me. Maybe he'll flat out refuse to involve Q. I'm just putting this out there.
I know it's probably not going to happen, but I'd like to see a new race of aliens in the next one as the main threat. Something where the Enterprise is on the 5 Year Mission and encounters something humans have never seen before.
I don't care if Klingons are in it in some way...maybe a scene like they had in ST:TMP -- but I would not want to see them do another movie with the Klingons as the main villains.
If they are going to re-use a race as the villain, then I'd rather see the Gorn or the Tholians...a potentially hostile race that we've not seen much of.
I'd rather see what JJ, Orci and Kurtzman can do to create something new and fresh -- as fresh as the Borg were when they first showed up on TNG.
I don't care if Klingons are in it in some way...maybe a scene like they had in ST:TMP -- but I would not want to see them do another movie with the Klingons as the main villains.
If they are going to re-use a race as the villain, then I'd rather see the Gorn or the Tholians...a potentially hostile race that we've not seen much of.
I'd rather see what JJ, Orci and Kurtzman can do to create something new and fresh -- as fresh as the Borg were when they first showed up on TNG.
I want them to acknowledge the importance of the choices they made in the first film. That is,
And I don't want to see yet another evil villain Khan/Soren/Borg Queen/Nero. Something else this time, please!
(My favourite Trek film is still TUC, by the way... I liked the political stuff, the Klingons, all that.)
the destruction of Vulcan. What happens then? What will the Vulcans do? How will this affect Spock in the long run? I'd want to see these addressed at least somehow.
And I don't want to see yet another evil villain Khan/Soren/Borg Queen/Nero. Something else this time, please!
(My favourite Trek film is still TUC, by the way... I liked the political stuff, the Klingons, all that.)
Klingon plot only centered around Nero, won't be used except as a DVD extra
My hopes are not so much for what they do as what they don't do, but I don't want this thread to devolve into "don't do this," "don't do that."
Let me put it this way: I hope the central conflict doesn't revolve around an evil villain and/or doomsday device and instead considers something grand and magnificent. It can be dangerous, but something that will inspire awe.
If you want to throw in some battles with the Klingons just for yuks, fine, but I hope that isn't what the movie is about.
Oh, please no Q. Never again. kthanks.
I'll just be interested to hear what Abrams and his writers make of the feedback they get from the audience about what we like and don't like about this one. He's said that they want that information as they go into scripting another one.
I guess I'd like Urban to have bigger role in the next film.
I guess I'd like Urban to have bigger role in the next film.
I agree. Bigger role for Urban. Make Pegg a believable engineer and not just comic relief. Better engineering (i.e. something that looks like a device that warps space, not just pulsing lights or waterworks). Sad story time for
Spock/Uhura
Spock embracing logic more completely
Abrams likes mystery, so make it mysterious. Nero was a revenge-driven kook, but he came close to being a plot device at times.
And no M. Night Shyamalan gooberfest, like the reveal in Signs = lame.
Some kind of "holy shit" moment like Luke in TESB.
Just grand, magnificent, varied.
I believe em.
These guys are pure CLASS. Orci especially. I've never seen a Trek writer get as involved with the fans as he does.
Yeah...I believe he genuinely cares about what the fans want to see.
It's a far cry from all those years of Braga when he basically thumbed his nose at the fans with an almost patrician type attitude...
Yeah I think a natural result of that could be that
Spock wants to be more Vulcan than ever because the galaxy needs Vulcans. This could precipitate his breakup with Uhura.
In the parking lot in Austin, Orci asked my fiancee whether women would like it. She said yes, especially the
Uhura/Spock
Indeed. That could have potential.
Yeah, I wouldn't count on them ever shutting down the Spock/Uhura thing - it's a relationship that's bound to be fraught with every kind of difficulty, which is a good thing for drama. Particularly if Kirk can't stay out of it...
I agree with everything you've written. Big things happened to these characters so to jump into a new movie pulled out of the five year mission without continuing to deal with the issues the first movie raised wouldn't be right. That's not to say the movie has to focus on Vulcan (though it may) but it certainly has to be a part of it.
I also don't want to see another "evil villain" even though I think Nero was great in this one.
And, finally, Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country is also my favorite Trek movie.
I think they should find a way to bring Shatner in. If there is going to be a trilogy to this franchise, they could find some story on how to bring him back and maybe have him in role in the last film kind of how Leonard Nimoy played in this one. I think that might get fans to keep going knowing that they'll see Shatner as Kirk one last time.
Random things I would like to see...
- More Spock/Uhura/(Kirk)
- Kirk, boy-wonder, struggling to prove himself.
- More Chekov!!
- More of Scotty and Keenser
- The fate of the Vulcan refugees and Spocks role (both of him)
- More Pike
- Revamped Klingons; as drastic as TMP was.
- Seth Rogan as Harry Mudd... yeah, I said these were random.
- Bring back Cupcake!
- More Spock/Uhura/(Kirk)
- Kirk, boy-wonder, struggling to prove himself.
- More Chekov!!
- More of Scotty and Keenser
- The fate of the Vulcan refugees and Spocks role (both of him)
- More Pike
- Revamped Klingons; as drastic as TMP was.
- Seth Rogan as Harry Mudd... yeah, I said these were random.
- Bring back Cupcake!
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Similar threads
