If Star Trek Has A Disappointing Box Office...?

[Neumann]

I know some people who took dates to Star Trek V who never got laid again.

WOW!! !please elaborate!

 

[Karnbeln]

It wasn't that the girfriends refused to give it. The men were just too depressed after walking out of the theater to get in the mood. The girls tried to whisper sweet nothings in their ears, and the men just whispered back "...how could the Enterprise have that many decks? And how could they get to the center of the galaxy that quick? And how..."

 

[Captain Robert April]

They were lucky enough to have dates in the first place. Serves 'em right for taking them to ST V.

 

[Eddie Roth]

I haven't seen evidence of this.

All the reviews I've read so far by self-acknowledged Trekkies call it a qualified success at worst and God's gift to sci-fi at best.

Also, I'd put this and other fan forums out there as all the evidence you need. Just about everyone's excited for this. The ones that aren't are just louder.

No offense, but I've heard rumors both here and elsewhere that saying negative things about the new Star Trek movie is shall we say "discouraged"?

Hope I did not break a taboo.

A conspiracy theory? Really? Sigh.

Paramount would not bother with selling one movie to folks, but be plotting world domination right now if they had that much power over all the media in all the world.

That said, I find it somewhat pointless to pile speculation upon speculation. In order to speculate, you need at least some facts. Right now, concerning boxoffice, we have none. Except that apparently pre-sales are going well and have been for a while - which is a first indication that the doomsday scenario is unlikely. Secondly, good reviews tend to give a film's business a boost, especially when it's not just an indie without marketing in any mainstream media. If the critically panned Wolverine can make 87m$ opening weekend, then the very well-reviewed (to say the least) Star Trek can make enough to be profitable. If that should not happen by some cruel fate, then let's discuss why.

 

[pookha]

i would be very suprised if the movie didnt do well considering the latest fandango reports.

 

[Tulin]

Star Trek will die forever if this movie flops. TPTB will probably do anything , but blame themselves Paramount will rape Indiana Jones agian and make 9 Iron Man's and in 30-50 years from now one of our grandchildren who we forced to watch Star Trek and Star Wars and listen to The Beatles and Nirvana as a kid will be as much in love with these things as adults as we are and will grow up to be writters,directors and poducers and will convince the studio to do a tv. series or movie which will return it to it's roots and be the perfect movie or tv.series we alway's hoped for, but updated and some will complain and some will like it and some won't know what to thing and they will be talking on thier hologram thingie magiggers, which we won't figure out how to use cause we are old then finally Star Trek will be braught back to life and create another 40 years of cannon and bad decission making and bad writting will lead to another reboot , then over time the cannon will turn into true mythology and people will name thier kids Kirk and Spock and all the names will become common until we get to a couple of hundred years from now when we make contact with real aliens that sort of do look and act like Vulcans and then things will get so twisted that life imitates art and there really is a federation and an Enterprise and Kirk and Spock will really exist and Spock will travel back in time in order to see what his ancesters were like and oh my god!... my DVD's just disapear like Marty Mcfly's family picture in back to the future, did your's?Sorry just got caried away

I could not actually read that.

Hunter - remember ...... punctuation is your friend.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Why did I imagine Hunter's entire post with Dan Akryod's "rant/technobabble" voice?

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Fat lady hasn't sung on the reviews yet. Most of the cream of the crop is still out there and 33 is a long way from 130.

So you're expecting it to drop down to 63 like Watchmen?

Lawl. No I am saying don't expect it to be at 100% in 3 days.

Well, it isn't at 100% now at Metacritic, anyway so of course not. Fuck me, it's Star Trek, not Casablanca.

EDIT: Look to your left. Unlike Wolverine and Watchmen the more reviews that come in, the higher the overall rating it's getting.

Maybe it is Casablanca after all.

 

[Aragorn]

JJ Abrams is actually rebooting Casablanca too. It's going to star Ethan Hawke, Michelle Williams and Chris O'Donnell. And they're going to translate "Casablanca" into English to as not to confuse the MTV crowd and the new setting is now the White House.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

And I think the last few seasons of Trek on TV proved that established backstory was was more lead weight than gold mine.

Only so long as they kept the "Triple Bs" (Burned-out Berman and Braga) as execs. Once Many got hold of the Enterprise, things started to soar again.

Of course by then, Les "I hate Trek" Moonives had his knives all sharp and ready to stab.

 

[StCoop]

Only so long as they kept the "Triple Bs" (Burned-out Berman and Braga) as execs. Once Many got hold of the Enterprise, things started to soar again.

If by "soar" you mean aimed itself squarely at the ever shrinking number of die-hard Trekkies to the exclusion of any more casual viewers, then yeah it soared.

All the way to cancellation.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Only so long as they kept the "Triple Bs" (Burned-out Berman and Braga) as execs. Once Many got hold of the Enterprise, things started to soar again.

If by "soar" you mean aimed itself squarely at the ever shrinking number of die-hard Trekkies to the exclusion of any more casual viewers, then yeah it soared.

All the way to cancellation.

The show was in turnaround. It was getting GREAT buzz. It needed a season to get it's momentum going again. Season 5 would have been the breakout season if Moonives hadn't dropped the hammer on it.

 

[StCoop]

The show was in turnaround. It was getting GREAT buzz.

From whom?

 

[darkwing_duck1]

The show was in turnaround. It was getting GREAT buzz.

From whom?

From the people still watching, and they were starting to bring back viewers who had given up on the show.

I remember the ENT forum back then was getting lots and lots of "I gave up on "Enterprise", but my [b/f, g/f, best friend] talked me into giving it another shot and WOW!" posts every week.

Plus all the "pro buzz" was positive. All Paramount had to do was give it a decent, stable timeslot, PROMOTE it properly, and it would have started getting the more casual viewers back too.

 

[noknowes]

What lessons do you think the powers that be will take from it?

Given the hype and generally favorable reviews, what do you think Paramount will think caused a disappointing performance?

Will they conclude that the problems were external to the movie? That is a poorly thought out release date and too much summer competition?

Or will they see the problems as internal? That is that a remake of the original was an error?

Any thoughts? Other options?

Note, I have no idea currently what would be considered a disappointing, good, or spectacular box office performance.

I am very worried that if it does not make any money it will be THE END.

For the last 3 weeks I have had tight knot in my stomach with worry.I can't eat properly,i can't sleep properly.I can't even type properly.I am so disconcerted with worry and tension for the future of Trek tht I don't know what I WILL DO IF it fails.I am in mental and physical agoney as th weeken approches...

 

[btflash]

They figured Watchmen was gonna make a ton o' money, with huge buzz and pretty good reviews, and that one dropped off the radar like it was in a power dive.

i think the problem with watchmen was that it had a limited appeal. the comic wasnt really that well known outside of the hardcore comic community and the rather dark nature of it coupled with very little action and a ponderous storyline all contributed to its failure.trek has a much larger fanbase.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Only so long as they kept the "Triple Bs" (Burned-out Berman and Braga) as execs. Once Many got hold of the Enterprise, things started to soar again.

If by "soar" you mean aimed itself squarely at the ever shrinking number of die-hard Trekkies to the exclusion of any more casual viewers, then yeah it soared.

All the way to cancellation.

Yep. The ratings continued to sink throughout Coto's tenure. Fans who imagine that it was springing back somehow, just because fans liked it better and "buzzed" to one another about it, are entirely uninformed.

 

[FlyingLemons]

They figured Watchmen was gonna make a ton o' money, with huge buzz and pretty good reviews, and that one dropped off the radar like it was in a power dive.

Watchmen was rated R in the US, and 18 in the UK. Thus it's not really exploitable for the full range of merchandise and wide promotion that other superhero films such as the PG-13 rated X-Men and Spider-Man films were. Also the mature rating kept a lot of people away, whether it be in the US with its advisory rating system (the chances of me taking my young kid to see an R-rated movie are zilch) or in international markets with mandatory ratings (no-one under 18 is allowed in with the UK system) and so the potential audience is reduced from that of lower rated films.

Watchmen was also pretty much a love letter to its fans - as a fan of the book myself, I can say that it pretty much captured the whole thing on film except for the ending, but its purpose was to appeal to hardcore fans. This is sort of the opposite - it's been rebooted so they don't have to memorize 40 years of canon in order to get the plot, and its appeal appears to be wider than the previous films thanks to the more mass-market sensibilities of JJ Abrams.

I wouldn't worry about this one - after the box office, the merchandise sales and the DVD sales, it should make a ton of money. The only thing it might mean is that those of us who are very big fans of Trek might have to share it with everyone else, and for the long term survival of Star Trek that's not a bad thing.

 

[Classic Fan]

They were lucky enough to have dates in the first place. Serves 'em right for taking them to ST V.

On a serious note though, we cant really predict how it will perform at the box office.


Could be the best thing Paramount has ever released and rake millions and millions, on the other hand, it could do shit.

Believe me, here in Kent, UK, all my mates and the general population here have no interest what so ever in this movie, even after seeing the trailers with other movies, they just dont see it. Local Newspapers reviewed it with 5/10 () - that really bigs Trek up then doesnt it, when some wanker who doesnt know Trek from Wars reviews it and then the public red it and go "no thanks" its sad really, but thats the way it goes here. They all want Vin Diesel and Nic Cage actioners over Fantasy/SciFi, thats just it.


Personally, i reckon it will do really well, hopefully. But it can still tank.


What lessons will they learn, well, who knows.

Well get games, toys, books etc etc that will keep the royalties coming in, and maybe, after a few years they will get Trek back out there again in some form or another whether animated or live action.

Lets hope its the latter and Trek doesnt disapear again down the back of Paramounts sofa.

 

[Messianni]

I wouldn't worry about this one - after the box office, the merchandise sales and the DVD sales, it should make a ton of money. The only thing it might mean is that those of us who are very big fans of Trek might have to share it with everyone else, and for the long term survival of Star Trek that's not a bad thing.

And that explains why some people are so pissy over this movie - some never learn to share their toys.