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World Premiere/Advance screening discussions [SPOILERS GUARANTEED]

^ No doubt. Very interesting, indeed.

Lighting storm in space?

Reminds me of....

"Captains log...Stardate...two...four..sevensixpointfive!!...While passing through an energy cloud, I have begun...to notice...some peculiarites...in my crew's behavior...whilethefacesremainthesame!...their personalities...their...PERSONAAAAALITIESS...have. been. altered."

And my work here is done

Don't worry. I got it. Kevin Pollak's Star Trek is astounding.
I wasn't familiar with that routine (here, for those like me who hadn't seen it before) but I realized I do recognize Pollak from Willow, in which he was partnered with another very good standup comic, Rick Overton.
 
I found this on fark.com

I saw an advance screening of the movie in Pittsburgh on 4/23/09 - here's some bullet point SPOILERS:

No Next Generation characters are mentioned or featured, but it fits in line with Star Trek Countdown.

Movie opens with Nero's coming out of a space/time warp and attacking the Kelvin, the ship that Kirk's father serves on. Nero defeats the Kelvin, and offers to let it survive if the Captain beams over to negotiate. He does, and puts Kirk's dad in command. Nero finds out that he is trapped in the past, and no one knows who Ambassador Spock is at this point. He kills the Captain, and Kirk's dad runs the ship himself until the crew can evacuate, including his wife and newly born son, Jim Kirk.

After the car scene with the young Kirk, and a scene on Vulcan with a young Spock, we cut to Kirk as a early twenties roughhouser who gets in a bar fight with Starfleet members over Uhura (who has no interest in Kirk), and Kirk gets a lecture from Capt. Pike who breaks up the fight, who knows who Kirk is, and dares Kirk to be better than his father, who himself is regarded as a hero in Starfleet. Kirk takes this to heart, and joins Starfleet, at the same time an older-than-Kirk McCoy joins, as his wife robbed him of everything but his "bones" in the divorce, so he joins Starfleet as a last resort.

Spock meanwhile has refused a position on Vulcan due to human bias, and joined Starfleet. We flash forward 3-4 years later, and Kirk passes the Kobiashi Maru test by "cheating", as he doesn't believe in a no win scenario (due to his father beating such a situation). It turns out Spock wrote the program as a teacher, and is "pissed" Kirk cheated to beat it. Spock, meanwhile is "sexually involved" with Uhura, a parallel to his father Sarek, marrying a human woman, Spock's mother.

Meanwhile, Nero awaits older Spock's arrival from the space warp, as Nero has waited 20 years for the Old Spock to arrive (a time distortion effect). It seems Old Spock and Nero are from the future of the Next generation, the regular universe, and in that time, Spock tried to save Romulus from a solar supernova using red matter to create a black hole to suck up the star. As Countdown showed, Spock was late to do so, and Romulus was destroyed, as was Nero's family. Spock then did stop the supernova, and the resulting space/time warp sucked old Spock's and Nero's ships into it. The future believes them all to be dead, but they actually warped into the past of an alternate universe/reality, and have now began interacting with this separate reality, effecting it. So this is not the past of the Star Trek universe we are familiar with, but a new one very similar but more advanced. Since Nero went in first, he comes out first, and old Spock comes out later (20 years later). Nero captures Spock and his ship,and uses his red matter weapon (which makes space/time warp) to use against Vulcan. He will then attack Earth, as doing so with not only allow Romulus to survive in this new universe, but also thrive with the Federation holding it in check. He drops old Spock off at an ice planet near Vulcan, so he can watch it be destroyed by Nero.


Because Kirk cheated on the test, and Starfleet hasn't decided what to do about that yet, he is not assigned to any ship now that he has graduated. Starfleet gets a distress call from Vulcan, and the Enterprise takes it maiden voyage there under Pike. Checkov, Sulu and Uhura are assigned to the Enterprise, as is Spock in 2nd Command. McCoy is also assigned, and sneaks Kirk onboard.

Based on the details of the ship that is attacking Vulcan, Kirk realizes it is the same on that attacked his father's ship back in the day, and convinces Pike and Spock to be ready for it. Nero ends up attacking, but offers to spare the E if Pike surrenders and beams over. Pike does, and leaves Spock in command, with Kirk as his 2nd.

Pike beams over, and is captured. He is tortured for info using Ceti eels (yes, from ST 2) to get info on Starfleet's defenses. Meanwhile, Nero has launched a drill platform that hangs over Vulcan, and is burning a hole to the center of Vulcan. Kirk, Sulu and a red shirt try to stop the drill, and succeed, but too late. Nero drops a red matter bomb into the planet, while Spock tries to save the Vulcan high council (including his father and mother) to save Vulcan's culture. Checkov beams Kirk and Sulu back aboard, and gets Spock and his father and some others, but loses Spock's mom in transport. Vulcan then collapses into a black whole space warp, and Nero head for Earth with every one left stunned and Spock crushed. Kirk tells Spock they should chase Nero and try to stop him, but Spock overrules this and says they should meet up with Starfleet's defense force. Kirk violently disagrees,and Spock nerve pinches him and drops him off on the ice planet near Vulcan,and warps to meet the fleet.

McCoy berates Spock for dumping Kirk, saying they should put their star horse int he stable. Spock, of course, counters his argument, which p!sses McCoy off just like it used to.

Kirk arrives on the ice planet, and while running from a massive attacking alien, he runs into a cave where Old Spock is hiding for warmth. Spock is delighted to run into Kirk, but is confused why he is not captain of the Enterprise (having now realized this universe is different.) Kirk is weirded out that this old vulcan claiming to be Spock and also his friend ("bullshiat"). Old Spock mind melds with kirk and fills him in, and Kirk asks if in the universe he's from the kirk he knew knew his father. Spock says yes, and that his dad was his inspiration for joining Starfleet and becoming Captain of the Enterprise. Kirk, now jazzed, joins old Spock,and they trek to a Starfleet outpost on this planet. Once there, they meet the commander, Scotty, who was dumped there as punishment for killing his CO's dog while attempting long distance warp transport. Spock gives Scotty his equation to teleport to the Enterprise at a large distance while at warp. Old Spock refuses to go with them (as a precaution to avoid his past self). Old Spock tells Kirk that he must take command of the E, and tells Kirk that both he, and thus his younger alternate self, are VERY emotionally compromised by Vulcan's destruction, and that under a Starfleet regulation, he can be relieved from command if Kirk can provoke a reaction to prove it. Since Kirk is still No. 2 on the Enterprise, he will then take command. Kirk slyly mentions that using all this future knowledge is cheating like he himself has done), implying the Spock he knows wouldn't approve. Old Spock slyly dismisses this, by saying and "old friend" taught him how to cheat. Scotty and Kirk then beam aboard the E, and young Spock is startled they managed to do this. When he demands Kirk and Scotty answer how they did this, Kirk refuses to answer,and goads Spock to show his sorrow and anger at him. Spock flips over the grief and attacks Kirk. Realizing he crossed the line, he tells McCoy to relieve him from command,and Kirk steps up. The crew follows Kirk, but doubts him.

Sarek then tells Spock that he really married his mother because he loved her, not just smooth over his vulcan ambassadorship of Earth as he told Spock earlier. This reenforces Spock to grow closer to Uhura.

Kirk and the E catch up to Nero at Earth, and Spock comes on the bridge to offer his position as 2nd in command. Kirk volunteers to beam over to Nero's ship to save Pike and disabled it. Spock mentions that he would quote regulations that forbid the captain to leave the ship, but he knows Kirk would "just ignore him anyway".

Spock volunteers to beam over with Kirk, and Kirk and Scotty are surprised to see Spock kiss Uhura goodbye, especially Kirk, who couldn't get anywhere with her at all at the Academy (he couldn't even get her to tell him her first name, which is a running joke).

Spock and Kirk both beam over, and Kirk frees Pike while Spock finds the ship old Spock came from. Kirk tells Spock enough to let him know he has old Spock's help, and young Spock uses the future ship to attack Nero's ship, stop Nero's drill from drilling into Earth, and distract Nero into following Spock's ship, and the E far away from Earth's solar system. Nero attacks Kirk, and mentions he recognizes his face, and that Kirk was considered a great man in hsi universe, "but that was another life". Kirk defeats him,and beams himself and Pike over to the E. Spock crashes the future ship into Nero's and detonates the red matter on board. Spock is beamed over the the E, and the red matter makes a huge space-time warp that crushes Nero's ship. Kirk then offers to save Nero and his crew, who rudely refuses. Kirk them whispers to Spock that he thought Spock would appreciate Kirk's peaceful gesture to Nero (to smooth over any possible ripples with the Romulans) to which Spock replies "no, not in this instance". They then fire torpedoes at Nero's ship,and blow it to pieces.

But the space/time warp is too strong to break the E free from (even with Scotty giving it all she's got"), so Scotty come sup with the idea to dump the warp core,and detonate it, so that the shock wave pushes them free. It works,a nd the E is saved.

In the aftermath, Pike is promoted to admiral, in a wheel chair, but NOT scarred,and Kirk, due to his actions, is promoted to full Captain of the Enterprise.

Old Spock decides to meet young Spock. Young Spock wanst to quit Starfleet to help restore hsi race, which is done to 10,000 or less, but old Spock tells him to stay, as they can be in two palces at once. Old Spock has found a planet to start a new Vulcan colony, and old Spcok tells young Spock to pursue his friendship with Kirk and the crew,a s it will define him in great ways. Spock then watches the younger Kirk promoted.

The final scene is on the E bridge, where Kirk (in full captain's uniform), tells McCoy to buckle up, as the whole crew is on board,and the E warps out into space over the familiar "final frontier voice over, read by old Spock.

Personally, I had my doubts, but I loved it. The crowd I watched it with loved it. Each actor fits the roles perfectly,and are very "familiar" feeling. McCoy is flawless (creepy accurate, even), Quinto won me over as Spock, Pine as Kirk is a perfect fit and a great lead, Chekov was great, Sulu fit the bill, Uhura was good too,and Scotty was funny, but perfect. Just enough humor, but never corny. A LOT of mentions and nods to things in ALL the past series and movies. Very fast paced, GREAT special effects, and since this technically takes place in the past of an alternate reality, it doesn't void what came before.

It will make big money. Count on it. I recommend you read Star Trek - Countdown first. It fills in a lot of the future backstory.
 
I would LOVE to see how other stuff in the universe turns out, in future installments of NuTrek. And if other characters we know about, could pop up - such as Thelin, for example.
 
It sort of breaks my heart to see some of the comments made about the movie already, by people who presumably haven't even seen it yet. As a fan who has loved Star Trek since he was a kid, religiously watching original series episodes every Saturday evening, this film is nothing short of a gift. A dying franchise on life support, that was bereft of newness and creativity has now been invested in heavily and given a new direction. They have made what appears to be a fantastic movie from what I have seen so far and read, about the original and my personal favorite crew. To me, this isn't just "good enough", this is wonderful, any Trek fan should be ecstatic.

It just seems to me that because the plot-lines or details of the movie don't meet certain people's preconceived notions of what a new Trek should be, or what should happen in the Trek "universe", that they refuse to have anything to do with it. To me this is the epitome of close-mindedness and the antithesis of what Trek is all about. I just feel badly that some people are already determined not to like it without even seeing it when this really should be a great time for all of us.

Hey. You'll get over it.
"Preconceived notions?" It's called "continuity" and every other Trek project up to this point has been fine with it.
My "closed mindedness" is a profound emotional involvement in a world that has been important to me for FORTY years.
Having all that thrown aside because some new snots can't be bothered to work within the fictional universe they were hired to is insulting, irritating, and frankly, infuriating.
"Antithesis of what Trek is all about?"
Sonny, you only HAVE a Star Trek at all because of fans like me who have been keeping it alive with heart, soul and money for decades.
This isn't "Trek", it's an Abomination and an insult to everything a lot of us have loved for a great many years.
Don't expect us to go away just so you can have your "gosh-wow" moment with a shiny new toy.
This one is to the death.
Qapla'!
 
^ You're wearing a Starfleet uniform, aren't you? ;)


I think the production team has been surprisingly respectful of Trek's history.
 
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^ You're wearing a Starfleet uniform, aren't you? ;)


I think the production team has been surprisingly respectful of Trek's history.

Its not worth it. I have since stopped trying to convince the jaded few that this is what Trek needed.

I will enjoy it, as much as I enjoyed watching TOS on a black and white TV when I was 5. Who cares if there is a group of people who just cant get over themselves to watch it. They are in my opinion the people who saddled Trek with so much in having to remain steadfastly dedicated to canon (overlooking the fact that Star Trek NEVER stayed steadfastly dedicated to canon, even in the original show) that they ran in into the ground. They didnt keep Trek going, those fans are the ones who killed it.
 
"Preconceived notions?" It's called "continuity" and every other Trek project up to this point has been fine with it.

Uh, no - no they haven't. In the end it helped to sink the Franchise. :cool:

Now, some folks will say "it wasn't continuity that killed 'Trek,' it was bad storytelling!"

You know what? There is so much about the "Star Trek Universe" that was so repetitious, so limited, so unimaginative that eventually it was just not very attractive to new viewers. All of that repetition and shallowness, all that mannered stodginess was hard-coded into the blessed continuity to the point that trekkies were shrieking "that's not Kirk!" when Pine's character used colloquial English in a movie trailer. The Trek stories existed in a continuity about five miles wide and a quarter-inch deep, in a style thirty years out of date, and no matter where you turned you bumped into a plywood wall - but hell, that wall had always been there and could not be moved.

Not only is that done, it was done by 1999. The producers of the last TV series - their bosses, really - knew that it had to go but lacked the vision to successfully do more than repaint the walls.

Don't expect us to go away just so you can have your "gosh-wow" moment with a shiny new toy.

Needless to say, my expectations in that regard are...not high. You don't have the power to influence "what we have" - we'll have our movie while you fill up the Internet with bitter posts. :)
 
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That is the one hang up for me. I don't mind small changes, but this is an awfully big one that changes the dynamic of Star Trek completely.

Agreed, although I'm sure that's exactly the point. ;)

What I'm worried about is how this will change Spock's friendship with Kirk. I know Spock is Vulcan, trained to logic, but will he see Kirk as a failure because Kirk and the Enterprise couldn't save Vulcan? I know it was Nero who actually destroyed the planet, but Kirk could have stopped him - and failed. Will Spock hold a grudge against Kirk? The emotional wallop of having your entire race pretty much wiped out could do that to anyone, even Spock.

Um from what I've heard Spock was in command of the Enterprise at the time, so under Trek Captain rules he'd be the one that failed.

Well technically, it was Pike's mission. And he ordered Kirk to blow up the drill. If anything, Kirk probably saved Earth and other planets by taking command from Spock and stopping Nero. It's the Spock-Pike relationship that will be completely different than in the other timeline.

Plus if Uhura and Spock stay together he's set for Pom Farr.

Interesting. One would wonder if the Vulcans would approve of outside mating given they are trying to repopulate their race. Spock was always considered unique (and ridiculed by some Vulcans for it) because he was half-human. My impression is Vulcans having children outside their species is uncommon. I'd think they'd become even more insular at this time. It raises interesting questions about racial purity versus openness and choice.

A planet that they visited maybe 3 or 4 times, yeah very important planet to the mythos.
How often was 23rd century Earth visited in TOS? Or even TNG in the 24th? Fewer times than that. So what difference does appearances make? Your logic is flawed. It was important to the mythos through Spock, who lived the planet's strengths and flaws every day. And, just through mentions of Vulcan, it was obvious they were an important planet in the Federation. Vulcan was important as well in the same way as having relation you love but don't see often is important. It's about just knowing they're there.
 
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Uhura: "Hey Spock, I'm pregnant. Nurse Chapel says we're going to have a son."

Spock: "Of course..."

Uhura: "Do you know any Vulcan baby names?"

Spock: "Hmmmn, what would be canon? Ah, of course. Tuvok! That's it! Tuvok!"
 
According to some people:
1) If you haven't seen the movie yet but are commenting negatively on released material and spoilers you're close-minded and need to "give it a chance", because watching the movie will magically change your mind about the same information you already know about, you're a "fundamentalist", you're just a basement dwelling nerd, and your opinion doesn't count.
2) If you have seen the movie and you still have a negative opinion, you now only watched the movie for ammunition, close-minded, are a "fundamentalist", are just a basement dwelling nerd, and your opinion doesn't count.
3) If you haven't seen the movie yet but are commenting positively on released material and spoilers you're open-minded, a pithy "normal" person despite the fact you're wasting time on a Star Trek board like everyone else, and your opinion adds to the excitement.
4) If you have seen the movie and comment positively on it, you are such an open-minded person and are doing your part to to keep the franchise alive, so your opinion can only help toward that end in order to convince "mainstream" audiences to go watch this movie.
Nope, no double standards or circular logic there, none at all... :shifty:

I think the production team has been surprisingly respectful of Trek's history.
That's just like, your opinion, man. ;) I happen to disagree.

Its not worth it. I have since stopped trying to convince the jaded few that this is what Trek needed.
Blessed art the holy consensus... :borg:

that they ran in into the ground. They didnt keep Trek going, those fans are the ones who killed it.
The Paramount and UPN suits along with B&B ran the franchise into the ground and killed it. Pay credit where credit is due instead of bashing fans to make yourself feel better.

Uh, no - no they haven't. In the end it helped to sink the Franchise. :cool:

Now, some folks will say "it wasn't continuity that killed 'Trek,' it was bad storytelling!"
That's because it was. An apathetic studio and an antipathetic TV executive combined with a production team that was completely out of ideas is what "sank" the franchise.

You know what? There is so much about the "Star Trek Universe" that was so repetitious, so limited, so unimaginative that eventually it was just not very attractive to new viewers.
The name "Star Trek" didn't help any either. As for the repetition and unimaginative nature of the shows, that'd be where the bad storytelling bit comes in.

All of that repetition and shallowness, all that mannered stodginess was hard-coded into the blessed continuity to the point that trekkies were shrieking "that's not Kirk!" when Pine's character used colloquial English in a movie trailer. The Trek stories existed in a continuity about five miles wide and a quarter-inch deep, in a style thirty years out of date, and no matter where you turned you bumped into a plywood wall - but hell, that wall had always been there and could not be moved.
So since consistency is sooooo difficult, let's show how original and cool we all are by rebooting everything, just like everyone else. Worked awesome for Lost in Space, what could go wrong?

Not only is that done, it was done by 1999. The producers of the last TV series - their bosses, really - knew that it had to go but lacked the vision to successfully do more than repaint the walls.
Uh, no, the vision they lacked was a realistic picture of their audience (in other words more than just a handful of stupid, horny, teen-aged boys) and the ability to take risks and do some actually good storytelling instead of trying to find some magic imaginary formula that they think made TNG popular.

Needless to say, my expectations in that regard are...not high. You don't have the power to influence "what we have" - we'll have our movie while you fill up the Internet with bitter posts. :)
Look who's talking. ;)
 
Hey. You'll get over it.
"Preconceived notions?" It's called "continuity" and every other Trek project up to this point has been fine with it.
My "closed mindedness" is a profound emotional involvement in a world that has been important to me for FORTY years.
Having all that thrown aside because some new snots can't be bothered to work within the fictional universe they were hired to is insulting, irritating, and frankly, infuriating.
"Antithesis of what Trek is all about?"
Sonny, you only HAVE a Star Trek at all because of fans like me who have been keeping it alive with heart, soul and money for decades.
This isn't "Trek", it's an Abomination and an insult to everything a lot of us have loved for a great many years.
Don't expect us to go away just so you can have your "gosh-wow" moment with a shiny new toy.
This one is to the death.
Qapla'!

I had a flashback to 1998 and going to see the first performance of Star Trek Insurrection. My girlfriend at the time was grudgingly familiar with some of the Star Trek universe through me insisting on watching tapes of it all the time (it was sixth form: I was called Spock by people because I talked about it all the time) and had been dragged along with me. It's all going fine until a) Worf turns up and b) they meet the midget aliens who are just joining the Federation, and they have a brief talk about the Dominion.

This intruding bit of canon from DS9 caused my girlfriend to lean over and ask why were they talking about the Dominion when "that was off the Deep Space Nine show" and why Worf was there when she thought he'd been sent to DS9. It confused her and took her out of enjoying the film, basically marking it "Trek fans only". To cater for a comparatively small consumer base is not a good way to run a property such as Star Trek.

This movie has lead to widespread media attention for Star Trek, and when I went shopping in Sainsbury's yesterday there was a massive display of Star Trek DVDs from the previous series all over the place with the new movie logo above it. A few people were actually looking at them as well, talking about the new film and thinking about checking the original stuff out.

It has most definitely rejeuvenated Star Trek in the eyes of the public, and restored its credibility rather than keeping it as the rather geeky joke it had become among the public at large. If it's even moderately successful, it will have demonstrated to Paramount that there's sense in making more Star Trek productions rather than just exploiting the back catalogue repeatedly as it would have done otherwise.

The reboot is about the only way that they could have told a new story without being constrained by trying to match it with 40 years of backstory. I remember Episode I: when going in to see that, I already knew that Anakin was going to become Darth Vader, Obi-Wan would live and Padme was going to be Luke's mum. A straight prequel would have been rather boring, and the only way to give it new life is to start again.

Besides, despite objections everything is pretty much the way it was - the Enterprise is still a recognizable shape (objections over nacelle size etc. is just nitpicking), Vulcans are still pointy-eared, and Kirk is still from Iowa. The changes made merely provide the basis for a new version of Trek with a new spin on everything and new story possibilities. Trek will carry on after this reboot, and the previous incarnations will also have new life and even gain a new audience after this.
 
Using the power of alternate universes, let's look at another possible version:

Following his success with Alien vs Predator and Resident Evil, award winning director Paul W.S. Anderson has been brought on board to tell a new tale with Paramount's premier space franchise, Star Trek! Anderson says "I'm going to create a new Star Trek for today's cinemagoing audiences, in line with my own creative vision!"

Paramount Presents: Star Trek! A tale of how young Captain Jimmy Kirk (Vin Diesel) and his six-armed green Vulcan friend Mr Spock (Ahmed Best) take on the evil Kazon Dominion and their chestbursting insectoid slaves, aboard the SS Enterprise, the latest and most powerful space cruiser in the Earth Space Force! Can Kirk seduce Orion slave girl Uhuru (Jessica Alba) and get Ambassador Scotty (Ben Kingsley) to the Federation Senate in time to stop the evil Kazon invasion?

Believe me, given the crap that could have happened, I'm ecstatic that they've kept it mostly faithful to the original designs, races and conventions of Trek. A reinvention like the above imaginary crapfest would have had me infuriated, but I'm itching to see this new film as basically it is recognisably Star Trek, and yet new.
 
It's all going fine until a) Worf turns up and b) they meet the midget aliens who are just joining the Federation, and they have a brief talk about the Dominion.

This intruding bit of canon from DS9 caused my girlfriend to lean over and ask why were they talking about the Dominion when "that was off the Deep Space Nine show" and why Worf was there when she thought he'd been sent to DS9. It confused her and took her out of enjoying the film, basically marking it "Trek fans only". To cater for a comparatively small consumer base is not a good way to run a property such as Star Trek.
Yeah, it's not like any other shows have never done crossovers, like say the Law and Orders, NCIS and JAG, or the CSIs, or even Law and Order and Homicide. But those shows aren't popular at all, are they?

You know what took me out of the movie? It being boring, the huge plot holes, and the lack of plot to begin with.
 
This isn't "Trek", it's an Abomination and an insult to everything a lot of us have loved for a great many years.

This one is to the death.
Qapla'!

Now that's dedication. 2 bad it's misused.

It's also a ridiculously inclusive use of "everything a lot of us have loved" - since every indication here at Trekbbs and anywhere else you look is that the vast majority of Trek fans, long-timers or otherwise, are looking forward quite positively to the movie's opening next week.

More like "an insult to a few of us," really.
 
It's all going fine until a) Worf turns up and b) they meet the midget aliens who are just joining the Federation, and they have a brief talk about the Dominion.

This intruding bit of canon from DS9 caused my girlfriend to lean over and ask why were they talking about the Dominion when "that was off the Deep Space Nine show" and why Worf was there when she thought he'd been sent to DS9. It confused her and took her out of enjoying the film, basically marking it "Trek fans only". To cater for a comparatively small consumer base is not a good way to run a property such as Star Trek.
Yeah, it's not like any other shows have never done crossovers, like say the Law and Orders, NCIS and JAG, or the CSIs, or even Law and Order and Homicide. But those shows aren't popular at all, are they?

You know what took me out of the movie? It being boring, the huge plot holes, and the lack of plot to begin with.

Well, some don't care for the new Trek and that's fine. I take it you've seen it? If you don't care for it that's ok, but there are those of us who will enjoy it. It's just a difference of opinion, anyway - if you have a preference for the other incarnations, that's fine.

However, if others see it and enjoy the new incarnation of Trek I don't see anything wrong with that either. As for the crossovers, it's fine within the series, but within a film intended for a general audience I think it's best to keep it within the film continuity rather than requiring the audience to see the TV series too to fully understand it.

And the watermark for boring, plot holes and lack of plot is definitely The X Files: I Want to Believe. The first Star Trek trailer which came on before it had more thrills and entertainment, so I think I should like this one.
 
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