That's a pretty callous comment-- everyone is NOT going to be okay. And some of us do give a damn about killing an entire planet that has played a very important part in the mythos.
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That's a pretty callous comment-- everyone is NOT going to be okay. And some of us do give a damn about killing an entire planet that has played a very important part in the mythos.
Agreed, although I'm sure that's exactly the point.
What I'm worried about is how this will change Spock's friendship with Kirk. I know Spock is Vulcan, trained to logic, but will he see Kirk as a failure because Kirk and the Enterprise couldn't save Vulcan? I know it was Nero who actually destroyed the planet, but Kirk could have stopped him - and failed. Will Spock hold a grudge against Kirk? The emotional wallop of having your entire race pretty much wiped out could do that to anyone, even Spock.
Um from what I've heard Spock was in command of the Enterprise at the time, so under Trek Captain rules he'd be the one that failed.
Plus if Uhura and Spock stay together he's set for Pom Farr.
A planet that they visited maybe 3 or 4 times, yeah very important planet to the mythos.
The fact that you give a damn is the whole point they did it.
Christ, its basic Drama 101. The whole tedium of everything being just nice and left alone is the whole reason Trek died a death in the first place.
apparently, Human women don't fare so well during Pon Farr
Well, how does one explain Spock, then? Amanda seems to have come through it all right.
Reverse cowgirl, perhaps?
apparently, Human women don't fare so well during Pon Farr
Well, how does one explain Spock, then? Amanda seems to have come through it all right.
Reverse cowgirl, perhaps?
Exactamundo!
This ain't "women" anyway, this is Uhura. Robau would have performance anxiety.
apparently, Human women don't fare so well during Pon Farr
Well, how does one explain Spock, then? Amanda seems to have come through it all right.
Reverse cowgirl, perhaps?
Exactamundo!
This ain't "women" anyway, this is Uhura. Robau would have performance anxiety.
LIES, LIES I SAY!!!
apparently, Human women don't fare so well during Pon Farr
Well, how does one explain Spock, then? Amanda seems to have come through it all right.
Reverse cowgirl, perhaps?
who says she was around for the Pon Farr times?
apparently, Human women don't fare so well during Pon Farr
Well, how does one explain Spock, then? Amanda seems to have come through it all right.
Reverse cowgirl, perhaps?
Sarek was in his late sixties to early seventies when he and Amanda had Spock, well past Sarek's youthful prime (at least that was the case in the mainline Star Trek universe; who the hell knows in this case).
And, as noted, who said Spock was conceived during pon farr? Vulcans are quite capable of mating anytime they damn well please.
I think Vulcans' "youthful prime" may well be in their 50s through their 70s, or even 80s. remember, Spock is not the typical Vulcan. as such, his aging process is "tainted" by his human half. Sarek is a full Vulcan. he may well have married Sybok's mother in his youth, and Amanda in his youngish-middle age.
agreed about the Pon Farr/conception point. who knows, mayhap nuTrek can and will answer some of those hitherto pesky and largely unanswered questions.
agreed about the Pon Farr/conception point. who knows, mayhap nuTrek can and will answer some of those hitherto pesky and largely unanswered questions.
You know, this is something that has always fascinated me about Vulcans...
On the one hand, they're stated as being naturally much more emotional than humans, so much so that their passionate nature drove them to near destruction and as a result they've (or at least the majority we've seen!) adopted a life of stoicism...
And then you see characters like Spock and Tuvok...they turn their noses down at "illogical , emotional humans", but when cornered, cannot deny they feel the same things humans do...I remember one instance where Tuvok was asked about whether or not he "loved" his children...he stated something to the effect that his family is a part of him, and he cannot imagine living without them (in other words, yes, he does love his children! lol) Sarek apparently went against the grain and married Amanda because "it was the logical thing to do", but when Picard was given the chance to peer inside of Sarek's mind, so to speak, he told Amanda that he "loved her more than she knows" (or something, again, I'm paraphrasing)
So to try to make this rambling post shorter, I think throwing the Vulcans in this alternate universe in the situation of being an "endangered" species will play out very interestingly...they may have to re-think some of their philosphies..the constant haughtiness and condescension (sp?) with which they've been shown treating other races in the past will not serve them well if they are to become refugees on a planet like, say, Earth...will their logic really suffice to keep the race alive? 10,000 people may seem like alot, but I have two very good friends who are both biology grad students, and they have told me that 10,000 is not a promising number in terms of survival..
I know what I'm saying is blasphemous to some, there are so many of you who have taken the loss of Vulcan as a serious blow...I think it proves your dedication to this franchise, and I admire you...so many people don't understand how emotionally involved people can become by art...thats why such people never produce much creatively..
My only hope is that out of this loss, many intriguing storylines will follow...
On the one hand, they're stated as being naturally much more emotional than humans, so much so that their passionate nature drove them to near destruction and as a result they've (or at least the majority we've seen!) adopted a life of stoicism...
And then you see characters like Spock and Tuvok...they turn their noses down at "illogical , emotional humans", but when cornered, cannot deny they feel the same things humans do...I remember one instance where Tuvok was asked about whether or not he "loved" his children...he stated something to the effect that his family is a part of him, and he cannot imagine living without them (in other words, yes, he does love his children! lol) Sarek apparently went against the grain and married Amanda because "it was the logical thing to do", but when Picard was given the chance to peer inside of Sarek's mind, so to speak, he told Amanda that he "loved her more than she knows" (or something, again, I'm paraphrasing)
So to try to make this rambling post shorter, I think throwing the Vulcans in this alternate universe in the situation of being an "endangered" species will play out very interestingly...they may have to re-think some of their philosphies..the constant haughtiness and condescension (sp?) with which they've been shown treating other races in the past will not serve them well if they are to become refugees on a planet like, say, Earth...will their logic really suffice to keep the race alive? 10,000 people may seem like alot, but I have two very good friends who are both biology grad students, and they have told me that 10,000 is not a promising number in terms of survival..
I know what I'm saying is blasphemous to some, there are so many of you who have taken the loss of Vulcan as a serious blow...I think it proves your dedication to this franchise, and I admire you...so many people don't understand how emotionally involved people can become by art...thats why such people never produce much creatively..
My only hope is that out of this loss, many intriguing storylines will follow...
Grist for the mill. Just a hunch on where this is headed....
What do you want to bet, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO BET, T'Pring was off-world at the time of the movie and survived. I will bet you dimes, dollars, to doughnuts that T'Pring, instead of running off with Stonn (who is conveniently not around anymore,
because he was absorbed by the singularity
The script writes itself, you realize this don't you?
Instead of Kirk vs. Spock in Amok Time, we get T'Pring vs. Uhura in a female version of the Ponn Farr battle. I lay better than 50% odds that Orci and Kurtzman will do this.
In Star Trek II we'll see the Vulcan ritual of Poon Furr, tranlated as "Chick fight! Chick fight!"
Don't worry. I got it. Kevin Pollak's Star Trek is astounding.
It sort of breaks my heart to see some of the comments made about the movie already, by people who presumably haven't even seen it yet. As a fan who has loved Star Trek since he was a kid, religiously watching original series episodes every Saturday evening, this film is nothing short of a gift. A dying franchise on life support, that was bereft of newness and creativity has now been invested in heavily and given a new direction. They have made what appears to be a fantastic movie from what I have seen so far and read, about the original and my personal favorite crew. To me, this isn't just "good enough", this is wonderful, any Trek fan should be ecstatic.
It just seems to me that because the plot-lines or details of the movie don't meet certain people's preconceived notions of what a new Trek should be, or what should happen in the Trek "universe", that they refuse to have anything to do with it. To me this is the epitome of close-mindedness and the antithesis of what Trek is all about. I just feel badly that some people are already determined not to like it without even seeing it when this really should be a great time for all of us.
It just seems to me that because the plot-lines or details of the movie don't meet certain people's preconceived notions of what a new Trek should be, or what should happen in the Trek "universe", that they refuse to have anything to do with it. To me this is the epitome of close-mindedness and the antithesis of what Trek is all about. I just feel badly that some people are already determined not to like it without even seeing it when this really should be a great time for all of us.
I'm sure the population of Vulcan was logical for its size, climate, availability of food, and the make up of the (now extinct) flora and fauna.
This whole idea of whether or not offing Vulcan was a good idea, bad idea, overkill (literally), or poignant and fitting for this movie is an interesting discussion in both story telling and Trek history. It'll probably become even more interesting after the movie comes out and the currently unspoiled chime in.
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