Will Star Trek XI be "canon" ?

[cooleddie74]

Proto-Canon seems to be the best definition for the new Abramsverse in relation to all that came before it.

Hows about Pre-Canon?

That kinda-sorta reminds me of Pre-Ejaculation...

Not a Good Thing...

Speak for yourself. Talented, demented dudes know how to work that stuff.

 

[urbandk]

I prefer to think of it as just Star Trek.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Some suggest the movie is set in a different timeline that branches from the original timeline many years before TOS.

Anyone who's read Countdown knows that it must be.

Spoiler: Countdown

After Spock and Nero disappear into the past, the timeline they came from continues to exist. Picard and Data are seen on the Enterprise, reminiscing about Spock. So obviously the 'prime' timeline is not wiped out, or indeed affected in any way.

 

[Geckothan]

Just plain Trek (not oldTrek), and nuTrek or JJTrek would work. I'd be against the use of "oldTrek" though.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

"Trek" and "nuTrek" don't work for the same reason that the occasional campaign to get people to call the original series "Star Trek" instead of TOS in conversations about the Franchise always fails: while it makes some people feel good about asserting the primacy of one thing, it's just plain confusing to almost everyone else. Star Trek or Trek is now the franchise, in total. So far, one series - the first - and one movie - the most current - have used only the franchise name as their titles.

 

[Cakes488]

Proto-Canon seems to be the best definition for the new Abramsverse in relation to all that came before it.

Hows about Pre-Canon?

That kinda-sorta reminds me of Pre-Ejaculation...

Not a Good Thing...

Ohhhh cum on fellas...!! What a filthy and dirty mind(s) you have...and I love it

 

[THE CHEBB]

It's canon...pre-ejaculation notwithstanding

 

[DaveyNY]

This works for me...


Pre-Trek = Enterprise.

Classic Trek = TOS plus the Movie's 1 to 6.

TNG = The Next Generation/DS-9/Voyager and the Movie's 7-10.

NuTrek = Trek XI/2009 on...

(Till something else comes along that changes things again...)

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It's canon...pre-ejaculation notwithstanding

OK.. now I've got a Pre-Ejaculation Cannon in my head...

 

[Sector 7]

Its already (or will be once its officially premiered) canon. Whatever Paramount chooses to deem "Star Trek" is canon.


Sharr

Maybe this has been answered-- but when Abrahms uses words like "reimagining" it sounds more like he's talking about nuBSG. Will the new movie be worked into the established canon on memory-alpha, etc? Also, how much established in the original series and pocketbooks canon be effected?

I know this is a completely irrelevent question, but I'm curious as to how Pocketbooks, Memory-Alpha and others will respond to the story.

Those entities don't get to rule on what's "canon" and what is not.

Star Trek XI is canon, on exactly the same basis as all Trek TV shows and films produced by Paramount - no matter how confused and contradictory the stories are.

So it seems there's Trek Prime, and now NuTrek.

"oldTrek" and "nuTrek" - it's a more consistent formulation.

Both of you are so right. Yet, I predict they will still argue about it for years to come. I've said from the beginning that Paramount owns Star Trek and decides what is canon. I have also been told off many times for saying it... Some people are so far in denial they cannot see their way out of it.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

The canon element of the movie makes me nervous. I also get nervous about Treklit dramatically changing as a result as I am enjoying it immensely at it currently is.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I would imagine that as these characters are reinterpreted - especially, perhaps, Spock - it will represent a tremendous opportunity for the professional writers who do Trek novels. There's not been much truly new insight into the characters as people from the Paramount side of the house since...well, I'd say 1982 but let's be nice and say 1992.

 

[Saga]

it will be cannon but i have a feeling we will be debating its stats for years. like TAS.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

TAS has never been recognized as part of the continuity by Paramount. That's the only reason its status as "canon" is debated.

 

[DaveyNY]

Well...,

This movies Premise is pretty much going to make Trek Canon Ubiquitous...​

So I guess it doesn't really matter anymore...​

It's ALL Canon Now...​

Whether the Suits want to admit it or not...​

 

[Aragorn]

Can this person who attended the UK premiere count as canon:

At least one person I could visibly tell didn't like it was a guy wearing a Starfleet uniform to a major movie premiere. That says alot. He was visibly seething when it ended and he was exhaling and looked shaken. I could hear him say loudly, "This is unsound". In his broken English he was essentially griping about the perceived continuity issues.

That would've made for an awesome YouTube video.

 

[urbandk]

^Ouch.

 

[Borgminister]

Can this person who attended the UK premiere count as canon:

At least one person I could visibly tell didn't like it was a guy wearing a Starfleet uniform to a major movie premiere. That says alot. He was visibly seething when it ended and he was exhaling and looked shaken. I could hear him say loudly, "This is unsound". In his broken English he was essentially griping about the perceived continuity issues.

That would've made for an awesome YouTube video.

Maybe, but thank goodness there wasn't one, what a reason for "normal" folks NOT to see the movie.

 

[urbandk]

^Yeah that might have gone viral.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Can this person who attended the UK premiere count as canon:

At least one person I could visibly tell didn't like it was a guy wearing a Starfleet uniform to a major movie premiere. That says alot. He was visibly seething when it ended and he was exhaling and looked shaken. I could hear him say loudly, "This is unsound". In his broken English he was essentially griping about the perceived continuity issues.

That would've made for an awesome YouTube video.

Ummm "get a life." " it's only a movie"????

 

[EnsignRicky]

It will be misle.