Will Star Trek XI be "canon" ?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Danoz, Apr 22, 2009.

  1. Danoz

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    Maybe this has been answered-- but when Abrahms uses words like "reimagining" it sounds more like he's talking about nuBSG. Will the new movie be worked into the established canon on memory-alpha, etc? Also, how much established in the original series and pocketbooks canon be effected?

    I know this is a completely irrelevent question, but I'm curious as to how Pocketbooks, Memory-Alpha and others will respond to the story.
     
  2. Borgminister

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    Don't other media take creative license anyway?
     
  3. Kpnuts

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    Of course it'll be canon.
     
  4. Nardpuncher

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    From what I understand ( I am mostly spoiler free) it seems like it is a new alternate timeline that branches off from the one we know due to things done by the bad guy. But it's not a reimagining as Leonard Nimoy is still Spock.
    I think we're supposed to accept the new look of things , and people, as kin to being the way we were supposed to see Saavik in Star Trek III...you're to 'ignore' that it's a new actor. Maybe the new Enterprise really is different, or maybe we're just having it interpreted for us in a new way. If that makes sense.
     
  5. Franklin

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    This movie is canon, of course, and changes nothing that went before it. In an odd way, this movie preserved the continuity of Trek better than any movie or epsiode that went before it. And, that universe is still available to play in while the canon of this new one is being written.

    You just know some fanboy, Trek novelist, or fanboy Trek novelist is just itching to tell a story where the characters from both timelines meet.
     
  6. EJD1984

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    Since this movie is a restart/reboot. How about we try this.

    Canon 1: 1966 - 2008

    Canon 2: 2009 - ............................
     
  7. ThereAre4Lights

    ThereAre4Lights Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    How about we try this:Mirror universe - canonStar Trek XI universe - canon
     
  8. DaveyNY

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  9. Sharr Khan

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    Its already (or will be once its officially premiered) canon. Whatever Paramount chooses to deem "Star Trek" is canon.


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  10. cooleddie74

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    Canon. And yet not.

    Canon because it's a new, official timeline created by Nero's interference in the 23rd century. But not canon in relation to the rest of the TREK universe.
     
  11. urbandk

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    It will be nonac.
     
  12. cooleddie74

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    Proto-Canon seems to be the best definition for the new Abramsverse in relation to all that came before it.
     
  13. Cakes488

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    Hows about Pre-Canon?
     
  14. ClayHefner

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    I think it's not yet certain.

    Some suggest the movie is set in a different timeline that branches from the original timeline many years before TOS. Therefore differences could be easily explained away by this split.
    Minor things differ and canot really be explained, but this is nothing new in Star Trek.

    Only the future will tell if the writers think they can still work with the established continuity (which would keep them from reimagining the Klingons, for example) or if they go more toward a full reboot like BSG.

    Maybe they will try to avoid some established stuff for the next movies (meeting the Klingons, Andorians etc.) to not be forced to make that choice just yet and also not be limited in what they can change.
     
  15. The Super Brando

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    It depends on what you mean by "canon". If you mean "official", then yes it's official Star Trek, as opposed to fan-made or whatever else. But if you mean "this movie's story takes place sometime after Enterprise and before TOS", then I don't think that's the case.

    It seems like this movie is an entirely different universe/timeline/reality/storyline/divergence/whatever. At the end of the day, it appears to be a brand spanking new reboot.

    I know what JJ and all them have been saying about timelines and all, but I think it's just lip service bologna to keep the Trek zealots from going crazy on the internet. I mean, c'mon, look at it. . . it's a reboot. The old has ended, something brand new is starting.

    So it seems there's Trek Prime, and now NuTrek.
     
  16. Geckothan

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    As much as I'd like to write it off as non-canon junk, it's still canon if you think of it as an alternate timeline and ignore the minor things.
     
  17. DaveyNY

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    That kinda-sorta reminds me of Pre-Ejaculation... :eek:

    Not a Good Thing...:shifty:
     
  18. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Those entities don't get to rule on what's "canon" and what is not.

    Star Trek XI is canon, on exactly the same basis as all Trek TV shows and films produced by Paramount - no matter how confused and contradictory the stories are.

    "oldTrek" and "nuTrek" - it's a more consistent formulation. ;)
     
  19. urbandk

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    yeah, it reminded me of a pee cannon, not a pleasant image either.
     
  20. The Super Brando

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    Yeah, I could go for that. It's a better description. It's just that "oldTrek" has potential negative connotations.