Spock's lengthy rap sequence was cut, and the Belgian censors excised all references to the shizznit.
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Spock's lengthy rap sequence was cut, and the Belgian censors excised all references to the shizznit.
^True.
But when Abrams said it would be "about two hours"--he didn't say 'excluding credits'.
So it's nice to know that we get about 120 of actual story.
Insurection, TSFS, TFF and even TUC---minus credits are between 90-100 min of actual story.
And YES I do believe, that 20-30 minutes of actual story are a big deal.
But when Abrams said it would be "about two hours"--he didn't say 'excluding credits'.
So it's nice to know that we get about 120 of actual story.
Insurection, TSFS, TFF and even TUC---minus credits are between 90-100 min of actual story.
And YES I do believe, that 20-30 minutes of actual story are a big deal.
The rap sequence cut???
That's it---it's dropped to a 'rental-only' for me--perhaps not even that.
And I don't even live in the soon to be non-existant nation of Belgium.
Seems like a good run-time. Not too long. Not too short...
To be fair, the opening credit sequence to Insurrection established the idyllic Ba'ku community, and so it should be counted as more substantive in terms of running time than a credit sequence that consists exclusively of credits. But could you all "please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing."
Interesting. The soundtrack track list says the running time for the end credits is 9:11. Undoubtedly this is an expanded version for the album.
The longer running time first turned up in early March when the Arclight Theater in Hollywood announced themselves as being first to sell advance tickets to the movie, (the 140-minute figure appeared on their website) but that number was pretty rapidly debunked, and was corrected by the Arclight. I think we'd heard even before that that it was going to clock in at a little over two hours.
http://trekmovie.com/2009/03/06/fir...-star-trek-art-display-at-arclight-hollywood/
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Apples and oranges.
No Berman didn't go back in time. He did however insist that Nemesis and Insurrection stay at the 100 minute mark so that he could calculate a greater number of screenings per theater or something like that. His attitude was slice and edit to a predetermined time limit versus telling the story.
TSS was a far better crafted film in every aspect then any of the TNG films were. Nimoy and the screenwriters were able to tell a story, provide character moments, character motivation, drama, laughs, action, tension and put it all in a tight, compact package that got the job done. Fine - it took 105 minutes, wonderful.
TNG films suffered in some cases due to a lack of back story or additional exposition providing information for the audience regarding character motivation or even information for the casual or non-TREK fan, they could have become better films, but the artificially imposed time constraints may have prevented that.
Hey if you can tell a good story in 30 minutes so be it. However, don't trim elements out of a film simply to get it to a predetermined number because some bean counter thinks it is a good idea.
sorry you got caught in the crossfire meant for me, Grant
Which is how it should be. My main gripe with First Contact was that I didn't feel it adequately established the Borg threat in a cinematic way. You had Picard's dream and then the Admiral's message "Yeah, the Borg, I know!" What do they teach you about movies? Show, don't tell! I suspect if the TOS movies had been done by Berman, we never would've seen the explosion of Praxis, or the Kobayashi Maru, or Klingon ships being zapped by V'Ger.... I think it's that television mentality of "Damn, we must get the running time down so the network can air more commercials in the hour" that carried over to the film franchise.
I can sit through that. Don't matter how bad i have to pee, i'll hold it until the end of the movie.
Weird, the Brussels premiere site claims it's only 102. Well, that is probably a typo.
(Gonna see it tomorrow!!!)
Or else the Belgian censors are very touchy and they edited out 24 minutes.
All the Vulcans and Romulans have been edited out of the movie.
Well, as long as they leave the Orion chics in...
Well, as long as they leave the Orion chics in...
If you've seen the trading card of Diora Baird as an Orion chick, they've made her look very unsexy.
I would have prefered a little longer, but a little over 2 hours is acceptable.
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