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Does "Realistic" Trek Mean No 'Throbbing Brains' Allowed?
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Plus, there are sites on the Internet that specialize. The demand is thus sated.
I still want to see Abe Lincoln flying a space chair toward me. 
I still want to see Abe Lincoln flying a space chair toward me.
I think their big mistake is not poaching comic book characters that belong to other people and weaving them into their "new Universe." Spider-Man firing webs at the Enterprise while the Hulk jumps up and down on the hull. That's writing.
All those things can work in a "realistic" Trek if the presentation is re-worked or updated.
To be clear, I wouldn't want exact reproduction of those characters I listed.
The main point of the question was, how to put it... are those types of stories featuring alien life with strange ability's off limits in Nu Trek.
Is there any chance in hell any kind of story about "alien life with strange ability's" could occur in Nu Trek or are they gone forever and if they are gone, how do you feel about that? Is it a mistake to exclude them completely?
The main point of the question was, how to put it... are those types of stories featuring alien life with strange ability's off limits in Nu Trek.
Is there any chance in hell any kind of story about "alien life with strange ability's" could occur in Nu Trek or are they gone forever and if they are gone, how do you feel about that? Is it a mistake to exclude them completely?
It worked so well in TFF...
I thought this movie already had a being with strange, godlike abilities.
Granted, Captain Robau is not an alien but still...
Granted, Captain Robau is not an alien but still...
I don't see why they should be.
Battlestar Galactica, Solaris, Sphere and The Abyss, just to name a few, all pulled off a naturalistic tone while including aliens or beings with extraordinary abilities, so it is possible. That said, I haven't put this new version of Star Trek into the same category as those movies, so it's pretty much a non-issue for me anyway.
I'd say yes. More often than not, taking a more grounded approach to a franchise and then saying that stuff should be left out on the grounds that they looked too silly before is lazy.
I'm not really sure I understand the OP.
I've seen absolutely no indication that because Trek is taking a more modern action/adventure approach that they're going to wholesale eliminate the presence of strange aliens and god-like entities in future movies.
Then again, look at the other ten Trek movies. How many of them feature a "creature of the week"? One or two at the most? And J.J. isn't creating a hundred hours of TV here, he made one movie, he might make a couple more.
The speculation that goes on here, if I might be so bold to say so, is based in absolutely nothing. What trend are people looking at that I'm apparently blind to? How can you trend a single movie that features multiple alien races, spaceship battles, time travel and the destruction of entire planets and deduce that "Yup, we'll never see a fantastic alien creature in Star Trek again because they're obviously going to start copying CSI."
I've seen absolutely no indication that because Trek is taking a more modern action/adventure approach that they're going to wholesale eliminate the presence of strange aliens and god-like entities in future movies.
Then again, look at the other ten Trek movies. How many of them feature a "creature of the week"? One or two at the most? And J.J. isn't creating a hundred hours of TV here, he made one movie, he might make a couple more.
The speculation that goes on here, if I might be so bold to say so, is based in absolutely nothing. What trend are people looking at that I'm apparently blind to? How can you trend a single movie that features multiple alien races, spaceship battles, time travel and the destruction of entire planets and deduce that "Yup, we'll never see a fantastic alien creature in Star Trek again because they're obviously going to start copying CSI."
I still want to see Abe Lincoln flying a space chair toward me.
I think their big mistake is not poaching comic book characters that belong to other people and weaving them into their "new Universe." Spider-Man firing webs at the Enterprise while the Hulk jumps up and down on the hull. That's writing.
Sulu: Captain. Sensors are indicating that Hulk smash.
Scotty: SHE CANNA TAKE MUCH MORE A'THIS!
I still want to see Abe Lincoln flying a space chair toward me.
I think their big mistake is not poaching comic book characters that belong to other people and weaving them into their "new Universe." Spider-Man firing webs at the Enterprise while the Hulk jumps up and down on the hull. That's writing.
There have, in fact, been TNG/X-Men crossovers in both comic book and novel form.
Well, in the sense that new Star Trek is cinematic, I expect big stories. I was often dissatisfied with the adversaries in ST movies, although I think the whole probe thing was handled much better in TMP than STIV. I don't need silly. I don't need doomsday. I'm just hoping for creative and fresh stories, especially now that origins, revenge fantasies, and time travel are dispensed with.
If there's a TV show, I imagine they'll play a little more fast and loose with silly aliens and such. I really expect such a TV show to be different from anything we've ever seen before.
If there's a TV show, I imagine they'll play a little more fast and loose with silly aliens and such. I really expect such a TV show to be different from anything we've ever seen before.
Yes, and Hustler is about to release another porn version of Star Trek. This bears on the question of quality...how?
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Careful, you'll anger the new orthodoxy of "there must be no negativity about this movie"
Careful, you'll anger the new orthodoxy of "there must be no negativity about this movie"
negativity is irrelevant.
JJ may not think them realistic enough for Nu-Trek. He hasn't gone on record explaining how he feels about this sort of thing yet.
Good points, taken.
I am just curious about what people think of Trek abandoning stories dealing with decidedly "unrealistic" story devices if it were to. JJ's claim of making Trek "real" does imply such story's are off limits here.
How about Civilization controlling Super Computers and/or Androids. Are they fair game in Nu-Trek? I think so.
If you have been watching "Fringe" at all you should be able to get an idea of some of the "realistic" things that JJ may have in mind.
Some of the things presented on that show could make great Trek story concepts.
Some of the things presented on that show could make great Trek story concepts.
I haven't been watching but thank you for the info. That covers the "medical anomalies". Very encouraging.
They're keeping aliens who look just like us (except for the ears and eyebrows) yet have green blood and a completely different internal layout and who can reproduce successfully with humans, they're keeping matter-to-energy-to-matter transport and they're building the Enterprise in Kirk's backyard but this is supposed to be more realistic than TOS.
Is there an emoticn where it rolls its eyes so much that they pop out of the smiley face and roll across the page?
EDIT: I should hasten to add that nothing I've seen or heard suggests that Abrams et al. are really headed in this direction. I'm reacting more to the tenor of several posts in this thread. So far as I can see, this new Star Wars-flavored Trek should be even more amenable to the pulp excesses of TOS, just with more expensive production values.
Is there an emoticn where it rolls its eyes so much that they pop out of the smiley face and roll across the page?
EDIT: I should hasten to add that nothing I've seen or heard suggests that Abrams et al. are really headed in this direction. I'm reacting more to the tenor of several posts in this thread. So far as I can see, this new Star Wars-flavored Trek should be even more amenable to the pulp excesses of TOS, just with more expensive production values.
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I can't think of any reason why they should be excluded.
I agree with you when you say that exact reproductions of creatures like the Providers probably aren't desirable, but I think that strange aliens with unusual abilities should still be perfectly at home in Trek. That there doesn't appear to be one such creature central to this story doesn't concern me greatly, because the Original Series had plenty of stories which didn't feature them either. But in another story? Sure, bring 'em on.
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