Agreed.
Dollhouse: "A Spy In the House of Love" (1x09)
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Agreed.
Aside from being told that there are at least twenty of them, I don't know if we know anything about the other dollhouses.
Aside from being told that there are at least twenty of them, I don't know if we know anything about the other dollhouses.
But I mean, are they supposedly operated by Rossum? When were they mentioned and in what context (I've missed a couple of episodes)?
It's also possible, I guess, that someone in the Dollhouse just wants to protect Ballard's life - that telling him as much as he was told about the operation wasn't an attempt to help his investigation, but was necessary in order to give him an idea of how much danger he's in and how to protect himself. So maybe there's some as-yet-unrevealed connection between Ballard and one of the folks who work there.
Aside from being told that there are at least twenty of them, I don't know if we know anything about the other dollhouses.
But I mean, are they supposedly operated by Rossum? When were they mentioned and in what context (I've missed a couple of episodes)?
I think the "outdoors guy" episode showed that there are other Organization(s) out there besides the Rossum dollhouses that have mind-programming capabilities. Or maybe it was just Alpha starting his own little shop.
God help me, but I actually liked this episode.
Dewitt though is just kind of weird, and the whole bit about her getting shot and carrying on casual conversations was a bit much.
Also the Dominatrix outfit at the beginning? Come on, I'm a terrible pervert but that seemed over the top.
Dewitt though is just kind of weird, and the whole bit about her getting shot and carrying on casual conversations was a bit much.
Also the Dominatrix outfit at the beginning? Come on, I'm a terrible pervert but that seemed over the top.
That whole part and all mention of it should have been cut out.
Why? It set up the theme of the episode nicely.
Trust
Trust
Joss is kinda notorious for not realizing what getting a major wound means (well, he's not alone among TV writers there). Hell, Buffy got run through wioth a sword in the finale, and ws perfectly fine by the last scene. Not even slayers heal THAT well.
Maybe dramatic writing courses for TV writers should include getting shot or stabbed a few times.
"See? That's how it feels!"
Maybe dramatic writing courses for TV writers should include getting shot or stabbed a few times.
"See? That's how it feels!"
I found it far more unbelievable when it happened to Mal in Serenity and he just pulled it out and kept going like nothing happened.
I don't actually believe anything said to Ballard at face value. It seems more like he's being given half truths to manipulate him. They could keep feeding him info via envelope, but he would always be careful about info like that. Getting info from Mellie throws him on his ass and he'll be less careful about how much he trusts it. So there's a reason for taking a huge risk and using the dolls to give info that could be passed on in a letter. I mean, it's fun TV to do it that way, but assuming the writers have thought this through, the doll info is manipulative.
On another note, would Dominic have been able to put the chip in the hardware? Would he have had the expertise to manipulate the doll's profiles? Was the chip being used remotely?
As I said, it was ignorant and clueless writing. Professional writers should perform research before writing about a subject they don't understand.
So, in your opinion, what exactly was wrong with that scene?
To start with, Langton's entire attitude was way off. Then there was the idea that the Dollhouse, despite the extremely questionable activities it allows its Actives to participate in, doesn't allow Actives to be submissives. This is a ridiculous notion. They allow their Actives to be assassins and thieves and in this very episode one of them is involved in a potentially dangerous fencing match.
Of all the things to ban their Actives from doing, why is being a submissive in a D/S scene such a terrible thing ? How is that inherently more dangerous than allowing an Active to go skydiving or race motorbikes ?
If we've learned anything about the people working at the Dollhouse, it's that they tend to bend the definitions of terms related to moral issues. Especially Adelle seems to do that a lot.
Their notion of "Submission" may not be the same as yours or mine.
In fact, we have yet to see an imprint whose whole point is to behave submissively. It may have been implied in the Sierra subplot last week, but it was never stated explicitly. For all we know, Sierras imprint, when she's sent to Nolan, is that of a loving wife or girlfriend who wants to sleep with him.
So the imprint itself is not about submission, while Sierras original personality (and we the audience) would percieve it that way.
I think that's the distinction that Saunders is making there.
Of course, she is delusional in believing this. They all are. Except for Boyd, who sees the DH and his work as what it is.
"We're pimps and killers. But in a philantrophic way."
Which makes me really want to know more about his backstory.
I think we're getting our own uses of the term submissive mixed up here. I'm not talking about Sierra playing the doting wife or girlfriend. I'm not going to take this conversation down too adult a road, but I'm talking about an Active being programmed not just to allow the client to do whatever they want with them, but actively wanting them to and enjoying it, enjoying being used for someone else's sexual gratification and gaining their own from that.
The way the dialogue in this episode makes it seem, they think being submissive is allowing the client to injure the Active and that's why it's banned.
Well, you could see it as another case of TPTB (of the DH) deluding themselves.
It's one of those pseudoboundaries, that they have set up for themselves, in order to not feel bad about what they're doing.
Sending someone, who is basically a mindslave on an engagement where they are supposed to act like slaves would just drive home the point that they are slaves.
It would remind TPTB of the truth too much, so they don't allow actives to be used like that.
It's the same train of thought that leads people like Adelle or Topher to: "It's ok because they signed a contract." or "It's ok because we do altruistic engagements too."
Either that, or TPTB just don't get BDSM and can't believe that it is actually beneficial for both participants.
I'd imagine there are a lot of people who feel that way.
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