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Terminator-222 "Born to Run" - Season Finale <SPO>

Grade "Born to Run"

  • "I'll be back." (Excellent)

    Votes: 85 77.3%
  • "Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average)

    Votes: 19 17.3%
  • "Thank you for explaining." (Average)

    Votes: 6 5.5%
  • "If we stay the course we are dead. We are all dead!" (Below Average)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • "You are TERMINATED." (Poor)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    110
I almost lost it when Cameron was sitting on John's bed and then said she wanted to show him her body. That's like my fantasy dream! Then she took off her shirt, and took off her bra! I would have lost it right there if I were in John's place. Heck yeah i would have made out with her, robot or not! I guess we CAN say that John has been inside her now hehe

uh, can someone please explain what the point of that scene was(other than one last go at fan-service?)

I really really hope this gets a 3rd season. Or at least a movie or miniseries...

He can play with Bionicle action figures. That alone makes him substantially more sophisticated than any Terminator. That he can also play Dungeons and Dragons, and is appropriately excited about rolling a natural 20, hints at a level of free will and imagination far greater than any Terminator is capible of.

the last few eps that have shown him playing with toys/games & talking to Savanah reminded me so much of Data...
 
I almost lost it when Cameron was sitting on John's bed and then said she wanted to show him her body. That's like my fantasy dream! Then she took off her shirt, and took off her bra! I would have lost it right there if I were in John's place. Heck yeah i would have made out with her, robot or not! I guess we CAN say that John has been inside her now hehe

uh, can someone please explain what the point of that scene was(other than one last go at fan-service?)

It is obvious John is in love with her (and debatably her with him), that is what it was about IMO
 
I always avoid watching promos as they spoil the whole show. Just out of curiosity did the promo for this episode show the Rivernator stripping scene? Seems like the kind of scene that exists only to put in the ad spots...
 
We now have three alt Derek Reese's

Jesse's Derek
Our Derek
The Derek that's never heard of John Connor

It seems Kyle is now the leader of the Resistance. Perhaps he will do okay. I guess that weakens the idea John is the only person that can stop Skynet.

What's even more messed up is if Alt Skynet goes after the Reese family now
 
Great season finale...

It should put all the weirdo crap about "SEE! THEY KILLED OFF HALF THE CAST! THEY WERE PLANNING TO END THE SHOW ALL ALONG WITHOUT SAYING SO!" to rest.
 
I almost lost it when Cameron was sitting on John's bed and then said she wanted to show him her body. That's like my fantasy dream! Then she took off her shirt, and took off her bra! I would have lost it right there if I were in John's place. Heck yeah i would have made out with her, robot or not! I guess we CAN say that John has been inside her now hehe
uh, can someone please explain what the point of that scene was(other than one last go at fan-service?)

She was having John check her nuclear battery for damage. It was cold so it was safe.

at least thats what i assumed.
 
That was my understanding, too. She wanted him to confirm that she hadn't sprung a leak and, you know, given everyone leukemia and/or cancer.
 
Homages galore. The gun shop scene, with the twist of this Terminator paying. The exterior shot of the motel where John and Cameron stay looks like it's supposed to resemble the motel where John was conceived. John rescuing Sarah echoes the same in T2. None of it was too obvious or forced, although Cameron needing John to get on top of her to check her radiation shielding seems unlikely unless she's programmed to tease him.

The Cameron/Future John relationship is because of John meeting Allison and falling in love with her before she's captured and killed and replaced with a Terminator. John then captures that Terminator, reprograms her, and has some kind of grief-stricken relationship with her, before sending her back in time to protect his past. In a way it's the reverse of Kyle falling in love with Sarah's picture in the future before traveling to the past to meet the real Sarah. Here teen John falls in love with the image of Allison in the past before meeting the real Allison in the future.

Speaking of Sarah's picture, obviously it didn't make the trip to the future with John, so that's a problem if Kyle is ever to become John's father. Kyle needs the picture to identify Sarah and already be in love with her in advance of his mission.
 
Weaver sent John Henry to the future after he was reprogrammed and learned that human are sacred.

What John Henry will do with Cameron's chip we don't know

1. Maybe implant it into future Skynet?

2. Repair it? in a new Cameron body?
John Henry would have been downloaded into Cameron's Chip most likely. Remember that John Henry was not in Cromartie's body, he was inside the Turk. Once it had the chip he could be downloaded into it.

Or both katras could be resident on Cam's chip simultaneously.
 
That was my understanding, too. She wanted him to confirm that she hadn't sprung a leak and, you know, given everyone leukemia and/or cancer.

thanks, I was confused with why he had to get on top of her like that...
 
I don't think Cameron's program is as sophisticated as John Henry's. She was made for one purpose, to kill, and limited so that she wouldn't become too willful. John Henry was made to learn, with no such limits. He can play with Bionicle action figures. That alone makes him substantially more sophisticated than any Terminator. That he can also play Dungeons and Dragons, and is appropriately excited about rolling a natural 20, hints at a level of free will and imagination far greater than any Terminator is capible of.

Even if that is so, and his program is "bigger" I still think he would fit just fine on a Terminator chip, witih room to spare. It is my opinion that Terminator hardware is way more advanced than today's computer hardware.

Storage space isn't really much of an issue. The bigger problem is number of threads, clock cycles, architecture differences, and program optimization.
John Henry is a highly parallel program designed to run as many threads on many different processors simultaneously

Programs are written for the hardware they're designed to work on. They have to be. If they're written for the wrong hardware, then they won't run. Architecture standards help, but porting a program across architecture standards requires either extensive rewriting, a hardware emulator, or a host program that actually communicates with the hardware for the client program (as with Java). Most likely, in order to run John Henry, a sophisticated hardware emulator is required to simulate his home environment on Cameron's chip. Emulating highly parallel hardware is difficult due to synchronization issues, even on superior highly parallel hardware.

Most likely, the chip wouldn't be able to run nearly as many simultaneous threads as John Henry's native hardware can, particularly when emulating John Henry's native hardware, and a great deal of processing power would go to ensuring that the emulated hardware remains correctly synchronized. This would limit him.

Furthermore, Cameron's chip will not have the raw clockrate that John Henry's servers have. High clockrates produce massive amounts of heat, and Terminator chips lack sophisticated heatsinks, apparently relying on highly parallel processing at lower clockrates. This might not be too bad, if the Cameron's chip architecture is much more efficient than John Henry's chip architecture she can have a high rate of operation completion even at lower clockrates, but much of Cameron's architectural advantages would be lost in the emulation process.

And yes, I am very much overthinking it.
 
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Well, they did make a big deal (in this episode) about how moving John Henry would change his essence.

Good season finale, by the way. I'm trying to decide whether it could work as a series ender...I'll have to mull it over for a while.
 
Well, they did make a big deal (in this episode) about how moving John Henry would change his essence.

Good season finale, by the way. I'm trying to decide whether it could work as a series ender...I'll have to mull it over for a while.

I haven't read the books, comics and all the other materials people reference the Terminator universe to. So in my mind we won't know how it works as a finale until we see Salvation.
 
Well, they did make a big deal (in this episode) about how moving John Henry would change his essence.

Good season finale, by the way. I'm trying to decide whether it could work as a series ender...I'll have to mull it over for a while.

I haven't read the books, comics and all the other materials people reference the Terminator universe to. So in my mind we won't know how it works as a finale until we see Salvation.

TSCC has no bearing on Salvation in any way.
 
I'm a little foggy on that myself. Was that Future-John he was seeing? And since the dog wasn't going ballistic on Cam, was she the real deal?

He's realizing that with him not existing in this timeline, Derek, Kyle, and Allison are still alive.

Those deaths might simply not have happened yet. We don't know how far John traveled into the future.

True. The most likely time period, however, is 2027 due to the ages of the actors. Its also where the majority of our future war scenes come from.

What I kinda hope they do is, and its off the wall, is explore a concept from the comics. John Connor didn't exist in the timeline: he was born as Jane Connor and the Resistance actually won the war faster under her leadership.
 
I don't think Cameron's program is as sophisticated as John Henry's. She was made for one purpose, to kill, and limited so that she wouldn't become too willful. John Henry was made to learn, with no such limits. He can play with Bionicle action figures. That alone makes him substantially more sophisticated than any Terminator. That he can also play Dungeons and Dragons, and is appropriately excited about rolling a natural 20, hints at a level of free will and imagination far greater than any Terminator is capible of.

Even if that is so, and his program is "bigger" I still think he would fit just fine on a Terminator chip, witih room to spare. It is my opinion that Terminator hardware is way more advanced than today's computer hardware.

Storage space isn't really much of an issue. The bigger problem is number of threads, clock cycles, architecture differences, and program optimization.
John Henry is a highly parallel program designed to run as many threads on many different processors simultaneously

Programs are written for the hardware they're designed to work on. They have to be. If they're written for the wrong hardware, then they won't run. Architecture standards help, but porting a program across architecture standards requires either extensive rewriting, a hardware emulator, or a host program that actually communicates with the hardware for the client program (as with Java). Most likely, in order to run John Henry, a sophisticated hardware emulator is required to simulate his home environment on Cameron's chip. Emulating highly parallel hardware is difficult due to synchronization issues, even on superior highly parallel hardware.

Most likely, the chip wouldn't be able to run nearly as many simultaneous threads as John Henry's native hardware can, particularly when emulating John Henry's native hardware, and a great deal of processing power would go to ensuring that the emulated hardware remains correctly synchronized. This would limit him.

Furthermore, Cameron's chip will not have the raw clockrate that John Henry's servers have. High clockrates produce massive amounts of heat, and Terminator chips lack sophisticated heatsinks, apparently relying on highly parallel processing at lower clockrates. This might not be too bad, if the Cameron's chip architecture is much more efficient than John Henry's chip architecture she can have a high rate of operation completion even at lower clockrates, but much of Cameron's architectural advantages would be lost in the emulation process.

And yes, I am very much overthinking it.

I know it really has no bearing on this but in the New John Connor Chronicles (the novels) Skynet went back in time itself. It required six Terminator CPUs to effectively function.
 
Furthermore, Cameron's chip will not have the raw clockrate that John Henry's servers have.
Are you kidding? Her chip is from 20 years in the future. Look how far we've come in 20 years; a freakin' PS3 is over 1000 times more powerful than a Cray-2 super computer from 1989. And that wasn't even built by a super advanced AI that has no problem tackling things like liquid metal machines and time travel.

For me the biggest problem with the scene was that there's no way to get the chip from Cam to John Henry without both of them having to be shut down at the same time. :lol:
 
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