Seven of Nine

[Keith1701]

She's one of the most interesting characters to me, together with Janeway and the Doctor.

I agree with you, BIG TIME!!!

 

[SomniumRabidum]

I thought she was very interesting. She was actually one of few characters in Voyager that didn't routinely annoy the hell out of me.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I absolutely could not stand Janeway. I wasn't a fan of Chakotay either

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

She was a cool character, to be sure. I just feel that once she joined the cast, it all of a sudden became the "Janeway / Seven Show" while all the other characters (Chakotay) were pushed to the background

I mean, we never even learned Chakotay's first name!

 

[Roberto]

She was an very interesting character.

 

[Guy Gardener]

She is what we deserved but not what we actually needed.

 

[Praetor]

What do you think we needed, Guy?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Angela Lansbury of course.

 

[Praetor]

Only if Craig Ferguson plays her playing Jessica Fletcher.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

I've often wondered two questions about Seven:

1. How old is she? Is she younger than we think? Wasn't she put into a Borg maturation chamber to speed up her development as a child?

2. How many languages can she speak? If she had the collective knowledge of all species assimilated by the Borg, she should presumably be able to speak/read all the dozens of languages from each planet/species.

Which reminds me, being briefly hooked up to the Hive Mind (as Chakotay was in "Unity") would be a great way to learn a foreign language. Would a Vulcan mind meld accomplish a similar effect?

 

[kimc]

I've often wondered two questions about Seven:

1. How old is she? Is she younger than we think? Wasn't she put into a Borg maturation chamber to speed up her development as a child?

2. How many languages can she speak? If she had the collective knowledge of all species assimilated by the Borg, she should presumably be able to speak/read all the dozens of languages from each planet/species.

Which reminds me, being briefly hooked up to the Hive Mind (as Chakotay was in "Unity") would be a great way to learn a foreign language. Would a Vulcan mind meld accomplish a similar effect?

I think she was assimilated at the age of six (I may be off by a few years) and was a borg for eighteen years which would have put her at 24 in season four.

 

[Praetor]

I had always assumed (perhaps solely based on my own thoughts) that the Borg would have aged the six-year-old Annika to full maturity after assimilation, which would make Seven's appearance fit better with Jeri Ryan's actual age.

 

[Guy Gardener]

From Collective

"When I was first captured by the Borg . . . I was young and frightened. I watched my parents assimilated. Then I was placed in a maturation chamber, and the hive mind began to restructure my synaptic pathways--purge my individuality. When I emerged five years later, the turmoil of my forced assimilation had been replaced with order."

So it's just a question of how old she was when they stuck her in her maturation chamber and how much they retarded her aging process while she was completely Borg and if the Doctor rejiggered her to age naturally not that that might not be what a regeneration alcove is all about to regenerate form natural decay not that the kids were old enough to stand still unless Seven didn't explain properly when the device was for other than faking sleep and feeding, since you might notice that her parents didn't seem too much older when we saw then as Borg in Dark Frontier.

If the Raven didn't look like a jallopee, and a few other passing comments, then there might have been an argument for Seven being possibly 12 or 13 when she hooked up with Voyager, no matter how big her show saving boobies were, given that the Hansens shouldn't have known dick about the Borg till Picard illuminated everyone about the problem in 2364, and shouldn't have know about Borg Queens till after Voyager got lost, muddled retroactive timelines aside.

Putting things into perspective, Harry Kim and Wesley Crusher are the same age.

 

[Praetor]

From Collective

"When I was first captured by the Borg . . . I was young and frightened. I watched my parents assimilated. Then I was placed in a maturation chamber, and the hive mind began to restructure my synaptic pathways--purge my individuality. When I emerged five years later, the turmoil of my forced assimilation had been replaced with order."

So it's just a question of how old she was when they stuck her in her maturation chamber and how much they retarded her aging process while she was completely Borg and if the Doctor rejiggered her to age naturally not that that might not be what a regeneration alcove is all about to regenerate form natural decay not that the kids were old enough to stand still unless Seven didn't explain properly when the device was for other than faking sleep and feeding, since you might notice that her parents didn't seem too much older when we saw then as Borg in Dark Frontier.

If the Raven didn't look like a jallopee, and a few other passing comments, then there might have been an argument for Seven being possibly 12 or 13 when she hooked up with Voyager, no matter how big her show saving boobies were, given that the Hansens shouldn't have known dick about the Borg till Picard illuminated everyone about the problem in 2364, and shouldn't have know about Borg Queens till after Voyager got lost, muddled retroactive timelines aside.

Thanks for that, Guy.

Putting things into perspective, Harry Kim and Wesley Crusher are the same age.

Yeah, that reminds me, I need to go post in the 'Who Popped Wesley's Cherry' thread...

 

[32JaX]

Other than a few bad line delivery's and a romance with Chakote, I think every episode that focused on 7 was interesting.

 

[teya]

then there might have been an argument for Seven being possibly 12 or 13 when she hooked up with Voyager,

Seven was born on stardate 25479 ("The Gift"), which makes her a few months short of her 26th birthday when she joined the Voyager crew.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

^^ but we still don't know when she was released from her maturation chamber (how old vs. how mature)

I was watching "The Killing Game" last night, and the Doctor asked Seven if she knew anything about WWII, and she replied "nothing." Helloooo, doesn't she have the collective knowledge of the Borg? Didn't she know something about ancient Talax-ilzay and Vaadwaur in "Dragon's Teeth?" I could be wrong about that last part, but I'm sure the Borg's assimilated knowledge includes WWII.

 

[exodus]

^^ but we still don't know when she was released from her maturation chamber (how old vs. how mature)

I was watching "The Killing Game" last night, and the Doctor asked Seven if she knew anything about WWII, and she replied "nothing." Helloooo, doesn't she have the collective knowledge of the Borg? Didn't she know something about ancient Talax-ilzay and Vaadwaur in "Dragon's Teeth?" I could be wrong about that last part, but I'm sure the Borg's assimilated knowledge includes WWII.

Why would the Borg know or care about info on WWII?

No, she had no info on the Vadwaar or the old Talaxians. She stated Borg knowledge from that long ago is sketchy & fragmented. I don't think the Borg have much use for the knowledge of a cultures history. Like Seven did in "Human Nature", they might find such knowledge too primitive.

 

[teya]

^^ but we still don't know when she was released from her maturation chamber (how old vs. how mature)

Well, she said she was in the chamber 5 years. And she was assimilated somewhere around age 6 to 8 (the writing's inconsistent). So if she was 8 and was in the chamber 5 years, she emerged as a full grown drone at 13. And met Voyager at 26.

 

[Praetor]

^^ but we still don't know when she was released from her maturation chamber (how old vs. how mature)

I was watching "The Killing Game" last night, and the Doctor asked Seven if she knew anything about WWII, and she replied "nothing." Helloooo, doesn't she have the collective knowledge of the Borg? Didn't she know something about ancient Talax-ilzay and Vaadwaur in "Dragon's Teeth?" I could be wrong about that last part, but I'm sure the Borg's assimilated knowledge includes WWII.

Why would the Borg know or care about info on WWII?

No, she had no info on the Vadwaar or the old Talaxians. She stated Borg knowledge from that long ago is sketchy & fragmented. I don't think the Borg have much use for the knowledge of a cultures history. Like Seven did in "Human Nature", they might find such knowledge too primitive.

I agree. The Borg generally don't care about history. When they do, it's because they want to change it, like in FC. I imagine most cultural and historical information of an assimilated civilization is deemed irrelevant and discarded, making what the Borg do even more powerfully destructive; not only do they assimilate and enslave entire races, they eradicate the memory of them.

^^ but we still don't know when she was released from her maturation chamber (how old vs. how mature)

Well, she said she was in the chamber 5 years. And she was assimilated somewhere around age 6 to 8 (the writing's inconsistent). So if she was 8 and was in the chamber 5 years, she emerged as a full grown drone at 13. And met Voyager at 26.

When was five years in the tank explicitly stated?

I'd be curious to reconcile her actual age of 26 with Jeri's age when she started playing Seven to determine to what age the Borg matured her.

 

[exodus]

Wasn't Seven phyically Harry's age but mentally around Kes'?