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Opposing Magnets Query
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Well I don't know how widespread that could be in physics, but it tends to appear more in biological organisms because of biological goals: Principally, an evolutionary goal in order to minimise "resonance problems".
For example, it is an important figure for optimal arrangement for cell growth/cell packing structures. Biology systems are all about cell packing.
The reason why phi is involved in this goal is because it has the property of being the least rational number, that is, it is the hardest number to approximate with a rational fraction a/b, where a and b are integers.
So in order to maximise complexity without incurring resonance patterns, you would move towards phi ratios in your harmonics.
Now that may have some relevance in superposition, with quantum waves, but I think it's more of a new age ideal than a work-to goal for a unification theory.
It's a key piece of the puzzle, here's another, Think of the universe as a living organism, morphogenetic/morphogenic fields.
It's a mystical name for a non-understood phenomenon.
Remember that cells are not atoms -- they are organisms in their own right, that can and do adapt. We don't really pay much attention to their internal workings since we're multicellular beings who think in multicellular terms.
A morphogenetic field is more likely to be down to localised resource control/management, inter cellular communication, local electrochemical behaviour, micro-metabolism, and intracellular genetic reactions to these environmental factors.
And I would say, a phenomena which will remain "non-understood" as long as we refuse to explore it, and devise testable theories for it. Don't make the same mistake Heavyside made, and lable something 'mystical' because you don't understand it, or just don't like it, and then toss it out on that basis! This isn't how science is supposed to work. Remember, magnetism was considered 'mystical' (mag = 'magic') until science began to investigate and understand it! Your "Inter cellular communication" and "intracellular genetic reactions" are facilitated precisely by super conducting properties in these systems, this much has been proven, though much work still needs to be done. Cells, DNA, and all other superconducters comunicate via the frequency of thair Miesner fields, and a feed back mechanism with its 'enviroment' is set up on this basis. The key is in the phenomena of non-locality or quantum tunneling, any system thus entangled can send and recieve energy/information in this way, and time and distance (and scale) are irrelevant! Therefore a morphogenic field is just a subset of the the unified field (along w/ and related to, 'consciousness') and so ultimately, the distinction between so-called 'living' and 'non-living' systems is just semantics. The universe can (and should, IMHO) be thought of as one giant 'multi-cellular' living organism.
No, 'magnet' derives from the Latin 'magnetum', which comes from Greek ho Magnes lithos, meaning 'Magnesian stone', referring to a region in Thessaly where lodestones were mined.
Righto, but keep going, you'll get there eventually, I was refering to the commen root. So tell me where the region in Thessaly got it's name? More basically' the root means 'awesome', 'mysterious', 'magnificent', etc. So we're right back to the percieved occult powers of loadstones. Besides my point is that things remain mysterious until we investigate them, and your misdirection is worthy of a magician, your missing the forrest for the trees, my friend.
Whatever point you wished to make, your facts on this are still wrong. Magnesia (the region in Thessaly) was named for the ancient Magnates tribe that dwelled there; said tribe was named for Magnes, son of Zeus. The root is not 'mag' in common with 'magic', it's 'magn' in common with 'Magnesia'. Magnesium was mined in the same place, hence the name. Nothing to do with mystical properties, the occult, the unknown, etc. 'Magnificent' (which you offer in support of your error) is from the Latin 'magnus', meaning 'great' -- and also unrelated to 'magic'.
On the other hand, 'magic' comes from the Latin magicus, which comes from the Greek magikos. 'Magic' has as much in common with 'magnet' as 'rattan' has in common with 'ratchet' -- i.e., nothing.
^^Philology is not my area of expertise (nothing is, really) but I do recall reading once or twice that the two roots you mention are connected? I'll check my sources and see if I can dig it up. It's probably a case where the langueges and word uses are so old that nobody on the planet today really knows for sure, and one experts opinion is as good as onother, whether they agree or not, it's not an exact science, after all. Anywho, my point above (lest it be lost) remains valid i.e., that magnetism was considered supernatural until science investigated its natural basis.
I'm not sure about the statement that Maxwell was after a unified field theory -- AFAIK he didn't include gravity, and the weak and strong nuclear forces were, of course, only discovered in the 20th century. Heaviside (and others) certainly munged Maxwell's 20 differential equations down to a more manageable 4 (in vector notation) or 2 (in tensor notation). Whether anything was lost along the way, I'm not certain.
Maxwell's equations are also generally formalised to exclude any possible contribution of a "magnetic current" due to flowing magnetic charges (aka magnetic monopoles). That's why the equations look a bit
lop-sided as usually written. See, for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations#With_magnetic_monopoles
(source wikipedia with apologies to reference purists)
I say to Tachyon Shield -- go for it, and may the spirit of Michael Faraday inspire you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Faraday#Electricity_and_magnetism
I agree, I don't think Maxwell set out to to do a unified theory either, but it was implied in his equations as he originally wrote them. I don't think even he realized this himself, perhaps he would have eventually, if he had not died of cancer so young.
The connection w/gravity is a by-product of his use of Quaternions, and its associated scalar potentials, whereby 'mass' is seen to be akin to 'charge'. That is to say, trapped or 'static' electromagnetic scalar potential, hence "electro-gravity". Basically, as I understand it, all these related forces are seen to be 'leakages' of orthogonal (unified field) flux from higher dimensions, hence the relative percieved strengths of each depends on the amount of 'leakage'? This, of course, relates to Kaluza/Klein theories which basically had to be re-derived later after Maxwell's equations were so badly mangled, but it was all there all along! This is why I think Heavyside considered Quaternions 'mystical' because he percieved the 'hyperspatial' physics it implied, and possibly its anticipation of Quantum physics with it's 'observer effect' and the fundemental role consciousness plays therein?Remember, when Maxwell was alive, it was still fashionable to believe in the aether, and Maxwell included this fundemental assumption in his theories. Today the aether is back in vogue under such disquised terms as 'quantum foam', 'quantum potential field', vacuum flux, etc. but nobody wants to use 'that word', still, a rose is still a rose, I suppose. As for magnetic monopoles, as I understand it, there are no magnetic monopoles as such, but there are magnetic potentential monopoles, this relates, perhaps, to the differance between Dirac's original monopoles (of the smallest charge) which have been detected, as apposed to the giant monopoles of some of the newer G.U.T.s which have never, to my knowledge, been detected, but this last bit, Is just speculation on my part.
Getting back to Tachyon Shield's experiment, some of the other posters are correct, that unless you have movement, nothing will happen. You need to 'tap' into your magnetic scalar field that you've thus created. What needs to be done is to 'pulse' it somehow. The easiest way to do this, if you're using electromagnets, is to rapidly reverse polariy so that you get a collapsing/regenerating dia-magnetic field. If you're using permenent magnets then I would advise using sound waves or radio waves (or both) but in all cases you'll have to use a specific frequency. The best bet is to use the 7.8 hertz 'Schumann resonance', this would give you the best chance of tapping into the Earth's larger magnetic field, whereby you might transduce enough energy/power to come out ahead? There's much more to it than this, of course, but thats the basics, the rest I'll leave up to you, Tachyon Shield.
Good luck!
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I can't really comment about quaternions as they didn't figure in my degree course decades ago -- most physicists got along just fine using vector and tensor calculus. I'm far too old to start worrying about learning new fangled 
things now.
Personally, I doubt that you can utilise vacuum energy unless you can find a lower energy vacuum state. A theoretician hypothesised back in the early 80's that you could potentially trigger the collapse of the entire universe to this lower energy state. Of course, we wouldn't know anything about this as the Earth would be destroyed in the first fraction of a second as the phase change propagated outward. I like to believe that there is no such lower energy state given that the universe has been around for over 13 billion years over which time many much more energetic cosmic ray collisions have occurred than we puny humans can ever possibly generate.
It'd be nice to extract zero-point energy from the vacuum safely except that heat pollution might also become a heck of a nuisance?
things now.Personally, I doubt that you can utilise vacuum energy unless you can find a lower energy vacuum state. A theoretician hypothesised back in the early 80's that you could potentially trigger the collapse of the entire universe to this lower energy state. Of course, we wouldn't know anything about this as the Earth would be destroyed in the first fraction of a second as the phase change propagated outward. I like to believe that there is no such lower energy state given that the universe has been around for over 13 billion years over which time many much more energetic cosmic ray collisions have occurred than we puny humans can ever possibly generate.
It'd be nice to extract zero-point energy from the vacuum safely except that heat pollution might also become a heck of a nuisance?
Nope. In 500 years no one has ever taken two magnets and held them together and checked to see if they'd induce a current in a static wire. You're a hero and you've solved all of our energy needs.
I honestly applaud your curious mind, you always seem to be trying to answer some question or another, or put forth some crazy idea on how to generate electricity out of nothing (like this example), but I'm 100% absolutely positively serious when I say you're wasting a lot of time by not reading a bit on subjects before you start speculating and then even arguing really, really basic stuff. Myself and others have been telling you this for a long time. This is not graduate level work, this is stuff we experimented with in grade 3 science class and is in the first chapter of any discussion on electromagnetism.
You need relative movement in order to induce current in a wire through a magnetic field. Putting two magnets beside each other and locking them into place with a wire between them allows for no movement. I think you have this idea of fluctuating fields dancing around like when someone in Star Trek puts their hand against a forcefield, or the two fields pushing on each other to create some kind of potential energy source but it's simply not the case. You can alter the field (the shape) but if the magnet isn't moving the field isn't moving relative to anything either. This is similar to the reason why the hundreds of different ways people have tried to arrange magnets into some kind of unlimited potential energy machine, it just doesn't work. Eventually, they stop. They have to.
I'll tell you another thing: quite often scientific reality makes no rational sense when thinking about it from a "common sense/what I see in my own experience" point of view. Quantum mechanics, for instance, seems like a big fucking joke on the surface of it. Things are quite often the opposite of what you'd expect intuitively. I've seen people argue that gravity must be a much stronger force than electromagnetism because gravity effects "big things" and electromagnetism effects "small things". That's their rationale, doesn't matter when I explain to them why their body doesn't simply pass through the floor.
Still awaiting results...
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Admiral
Im too busy building my bunker and making some heat and radiation resistant armour clothing.
I'm trying to get my hands on some lead to make some plating for the outside of the bunker and some ceramic tiles like they use on the bottom of the space shuttles. It's taking up all my time.
In light of this, I haven't figured out how some proposals I've heard of for generating electricity in Earth orbit could possibly work. The proposals involve connecting two spacecraft together with a long conductive tether, apparently intending to use the current produced as the tether moves at thousands of miles per hour through the planet's magnetic field.
My doubts about those proposals involve a basic principle about electricity. Unless your purpose is to accumulate a static charge (like that in a thunder cloud) electricity needs a complete circuit. If your two spacecraft were connected by a second conductive tether (to "complete" the circuit) I believe it would just generate the same potential as the first tether, thus preventing the flow of electrons back to the spacecraft with the positive charge!
According to wiki, it's related to conductive space plasmas. Read the "current in conductor" sub-section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrodynamic_tether
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Admiral
That reminds me of my idea to create a huge ring all around the Earth in orbit which spins at a different velocity to the Earths rotation so as it orbits the planet it generates electricity.
It would also work in conjunction with my other idea to build a rail line in orbit which completely circles the planet which accelerates a space vessel to huge speeds then releases it so it travels to it's intended targets such as Mars.
Like this:
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Admiral
What's the joke? the ring would comprise of hundreds of coils all of which would pass through the Earths magnetic field as it orbits at a different velocity to the Earth.
Simples.
As for my orbiting ringrail it would I admit work better on the Moon. It could be located on the moons surface and loop around it, as the vessel acquires necessary velocity the rail line will lift upwards and the vessel will be launched into space.
First of all, you didn't come up with the idea of orbital electricity generation, in fact Robert and I were just talking about it. A small network of satellites with long tethers would work quite well, you certainly don't need a gigantic, expensive, orbital "ring" to do it. Your idea of a physical railroad that surrounds the entire earth makes absolutely no sense from an economic or energy efficiency point of view. You're going to spend all that time and money on a railroad that encircles the moon? The payload still has to reach an extremely high speed, how? You say it "lifts upwards", how? Energy, probably thousands of times more than it would require just to propel the comparably tiny payload into space by itself. When come up with an idea like this, think about what kind of practical advantages a device like this would present over, say, a traditional rocket or even some kind of magnetic launching system. Even bad science fiction writers try to imagine devices that have a practical use. You don't invent a $1,000,000 machine to swat mosquitoes when it performs like a $2 flyswatter.
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