Robert Carlyle speaks about Universe

[vampgrrl]

I will tell you what Stargate needs to fix and why I stopped watching so long ago. Stop coming up short with plot resolutions...don't take a dire situation and all the sudden wrap it in 5 minutes. Let the characters grow and change, that's what BSG did like it or not.
SG:A and later SG1 reminded me of Voyager, and if that's your thing, great. But count me out.
I want to see not dark for the sake of being dark, but if you place characters in a dire situation...let it play out honestly.

I'm not sure they can do it either, not without coming up with some HBO series writers or borrowing Ron Moore for a week or so to give pointers.

(And again I'm not bad mouthing anyone personally, not the actors, not the writers..this is all just my opinion)

 

[DWF]

I will tell you what Stargate needs to fix and why I stopped watching so long ago. Stop coming up short with plot resolutions...don't take a dire situation and all the sudden wrap it in 5 minutes. Let the characters grow and change, that's what BSG did like it or not.
SG:A and later SG1 reminded me of Voyager, and if that's your thing, great. But count me out.
I want to see not dark for the sake of being dark, but if you place characters in a dire situation...let it play out honestly.

I'm not sure they can do it either, not without coming up with some HBO series writers or borrowing Ron Moore for a week or so to give pointers.

(And again I'm not bad mouthing anyone personally, not the actors, not the writers..this is all just my opinion)

After the mess that Battlestar Galactica turned into I wouldn't want Ron Moore touching a Stargate series.

 

[hyzmarca]

Overuse of God at the end notwithstanding, BSG is pretty good if you ignore the network-mandated not-arc-relevant episodes and watch the last five episodes all in one sitting.

Two two biggest problems with Atlantis were the overuse of reset buttons and the tendency to gloss over moral ambiguity. The plot of the show had the heroes essentially attempting to commit genocide on a scale that would make Hitler envious. That alone should have provided an ethical conundrum, not to mention a great deal of other stuff. But the moral and ethical dimensions of their situation are never seriously explored.

 

[DWF]

Overuse of God at the end notwithstanding, BSG is pretty good if you ignore the network-mandated not-arc-relevant episodes and watch the last five episodes all in one sitting.

Two two biggest problems with Atlantis were the overuse of reset buttons and the tendency to gloss over moral ambiguity. The plot of the show had the heroes essentially attempting to commit genocide on a scale that would make Hitler envious. That alone should have provided an ethical conundrum, not to mention a great deal of other stuff. But the moral and ethical dimensions of their situation are never seriously explored.

I'm not sure how the Cylons were the heroes of Battlestar Galctica, but it ended just as it began only on a different planet. And I think the morality or immorality of what was done to Michael was pretty much explored as was their bombing of the Replicator planet.

 

[Gertch]

After the mess that Battlestar Galactica turned into I wouldn't want Ron Moore touching a Stargate series.

+1

 

[vampgrrl]

Well different strokes n all that.

I'd take the worst BSG episode over anything SG*

 

[Gepard]

After the mess that Battlestar Galactica turned into I wouldn't want Ron Moore touching a Stargate series.

+1

-150,000.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

After the mess that Battlestar Galactica turned into I wouldn't want Ron Moore touching a Stargate series.

Even at its messiest and most self-indulgent, BSG was at least imaginative and daring. Stargate would be vastly improved to become that kind of mess vs. more dull, derivative storytelling and characterization.

I'm not sure how the Cylons were the heroes of Battlestar Galctica, but it ended just as it began only on a different planet.

Minus everyone's technology and minus the Cycle of Violence(TM). So yeah, other than being completely different, it was completely the same.

And I think the morality or immorality of what was done to Michael was pretty much explored

It was addressed messily in one episode and then dropped in favor of standard mustache-twirling characterization. Poor Connor Trinneer, someone give him a good show.

The plot of the show had the heroes essentially attempting to commit genocide on a scale that would make Hitler envious. That alone should have provided an ethical conundrum, not to mention a great deal of other stuff.

Ironically, SG:A had a far more solid and interesting premise than BSG -it's truly a kill or be killed situation in which both sides are perfectly logically motivated and no compromise is realistically possible. Versus BSG, where the motive was a tacked on "well this one guy was nuts and everyone else just followed him like morons."

The premise was BSG's biggest flaw and well, a bad premise is a pretty big flaw isn't it? RDM should have been given the SG:A premise and the absurd BSG premise turned over to the Stargate writers, who never do anything interesting with good premises anyway so they might as well have the junk.

 

[DWF]

The premise was BSG's biggest flaw and well, a bad premise is a pretty big flaw isn't it? RDM should have been given the SG:A premise and the absurd BSG premise turned over to the Stargate writers, who never do anything interesting with good premises anyway so they might as well have the junk.

This makes no sense at all there's nothing wrong with the premise of either show. And if anything Stargate has proven that it can get more milage out it's premise than Galactica did out of it's premise. IMO ther Stargate shows have far more steady in terms of plot and I think in the chemistry of the cast. Plus there's no soap opera on the Stargate shows.

I don't think Stargate Universe will end being totality dark but I do think based on Carlyle's comments that at least in the beginnning, the show will be more self contained at the start than the first two shows were.

 

[bigdaddy]

Yep, their first thought about Universe was that it would be a 2 hour TV/DVD movie. They then started thinknig about expanding and now we are at TV show.

Well, to be fair, Atlantis started out the same way (it was going to spin off from a Lost City movie).

Oh, and SG1 was inspired by a movie.

No, Atlantis was always supposed to be a spinoff. They were planning the spinoff since the third season of SG1. Lost City was gonig to be a real movie that would lead to AStlantis.

 

[Harvey]

^^
That's what PG15 was saying, but perhaps it could have been clearer.

 

[Kelso]

This makes no sense at all there's nothing wrong with the premise of either show. And if anything Stargate has proven that it can get more milage out it's premise than Galactica did out of it's premise. IMO ther Stargate shows have far more steady in terms of plot and I think in the chemistry of the cast. Plus there's no soap opera on the Stargate shows.

Stargate is bubble-gum entertainment- you aren't supposed to swallow it.


(You'll blow bubbles when you fart)

 

[Samurai8472]

Overuse of God at the end notwithstanding, BSG is pretty good if you ignore the network-mandated not-arc-relevant episodes and watch the last five episodes all in one sitting.

Oh man, imagine Moore and the goa'uld god complex

 

[DWF]

This makes no sense at all there's nothing wrong with the premise of either show. And if anything Stargate has proven that it can get more milage out it's premise than Galactica did out of it's premise. IMO ther Stargate shows have far more steady in terms of plot and I think in the chemistry of the cast. Plus there's no soap opera on the Stargate shows.

Stargate is bubble-gum entertainment- you aren't supposed to swallow it.


(You'll blow bubbles when you fart)

Explain that to the people wanting Ron Moore to come in take over Stargate Universe, that's why he should do it. Who wants to see love triangles and angst on a Stargate show?

 

[Harvey]

Explain that to the people wanting Ron Moore to come in take over Stargate Universe, that's why he should do it. Who wants to see [love ]triangles and angst on a Stargate show?

No, and after much of Atlantis, it's why I'd prefer most of the writers not to return to Universe.

 

[DWF]

Explain that to the people wanting Ron Moore to come in take over Stargate Universe, that's why he should do it. Who wants to see [love ]triangles and angst on a Stargate show?

No, and after much of Atlantis, it's why I'd prefer most of the writers not to return to Universe.

As long as Cooper and Wright are there I'm not worried, you saw what happend when they returned to Atlantis, Brad Wright's The Shrine gets a Nebula Award nomination.

 

[Harvey]

If Cooper and Wright run things, I'll enter with cautious optimism (they're still responsible for the final two seasons of SG-1, although the deck was already loaded in that regard, since O'niell had to be written out, Carter had to be significantly reduced in season nine, and Jackson had to be significantly reduced in season ten). If Mallozi and Mullie have a hand in any of it, I'll expect the worst. Their promotion to showrunners of Atlantis was elevation of mediocrity, and it showed from beginning to end in season four (I haven't seen season five yet).

 

[DWF]

If Cooper and Wright run things, I'll enter with cautious optimism (they're still responsible for the final two seasons of SG-1, although the deck was already loaded in that regard, since O'niell had to be written out, Carter had to be significantly reduced in season nine, and Jackson had to be significantly reduced in season ten). If Mallozi and Mullie have a hand in any of it, I'll expect the worst. Their promotion to showrunners of Atlantis was elevation of mediocrity, and it showed from beginning to end in season four (I haven't seen season five yet).

Cooper and Wright are in charge. And Peter DeLuise is back as a director for one of the first ten eps. as well.

http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/blog/2009/03/first-10-stargate-universe-episodes-have-titles/

• 1.01 “Air Part 1″ (written by Robert C. Cooper and Brad Wright; directed by Andy Mikita)
• 1.02 “Air Part 2″ (same as above)
• 1.03 “Air Part 3″ (same as above)
• 1.04 “Fire” (written by Brad Wright; directed by Peter DeLuise)
• 1.05 “Water” (written by Carl Binder)
• 1.06 “Earth” (written by Martin Gero)
• 1.07 “Time” (written by Robert C. Cooper)
• 1.08 “Life” (written by Carl Binder)
• 1.09 “Justice” (written by Alan McCullough; polished by Paul Mullie)
• 1.10 “Space Part 1″ (written by Joseph Mallozzi)

When the writers began their first session for pitching and spinning story ideas back in November, Robert C. Cooper and Brad Wright already had the ideas in place for eight of the stories, so it’s possible that these series co-creators will be given “story by” credits.

 

[Candlelight]

[So, given that track record, maybe we'll get a great first season before they return to Earth and the entire show goes down the tubes?

I sadly think that's how things will go. Producers of SG seem to like throwing in past/favourite characters for the fans and for ratings, and so I don't doubt they might try and find a way to get them onto the Destiny... which is so completely contrived it isn't funny...

And hopefully it isn't gonna be dark simply for dark's sake.

 

[Checkmate]

I really can't take any excitement an actor on a show has for their show while it's still on the air. With very few exceptions, who's going to talk shit about their paycheck, especially when that paycheck is dependent upon people loving it?