Poll: Bring Janeway back?
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The horror.
Uh... some of us know Lynx, and his gender, going back several years now.We had a similar version of this debate back when the VOY-R was first being announced and it became apparent that Kes wasn't going to be in the books.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Did that debate last months too?
These arguments are starting to remind me of a segment from The Simpsons':
In the segment Bart writes "Insert Brain Here" on the back of Homers' head and everyone starts laughing. Homer then wants to see what is so funny and starts spinning around trying to see what is on the back of his head and everyone continues to laugh. After about twenty seconds, the laughter stops and concern begins to dawn on the faces of those laughing at Homer as he continues to spin trying to read what was written.
I am seriously becoming concerned for those who seemingly can't take a hint. What started as an interesting discussion is now ridiculous. The Janeway group just needs to learn when to let go.
In the segment Bart writes "Insert Brain Here" on the back of Homers' head and everyone starts laughing. Homer then wants to see what is so funny and starts spinning around trying to see what is on the back of his head and everyone continues to laugh. After about twenty seconds, the laughter stops and concern begins to dawn on the faces of those laughing at Homer as he continues to spin trying to read what was written.
I am seriously becoming concerned for those who seemingly can't take a hint. What started as an interesting discussion is now ridiculous. The Janeway group just needs to learn when to let go.
Uh... some of us know Lynx, and his gender, going back several years now.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Now wait: Kes' last appearence was "Fury" in season six and she would have been 10 by the time Voyager got home. Was there really much weeping and gnashing of teeth over Kes not being there? I don't remember.
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aaron, great av, but it's missing the final stage: blown to kingdom come!
You mean like say a group that has some what successfully mostly through luck fought off two invasions by the borg and destroyed their ENTIRE transwarp network effectively craping on all their major plans for the forseeable future.
I'm saying when a starfleet away team beams aboard a borg ship and say damages systems to cripple said vessle do the borg not attack said away team becuae they in fact consider damaging their ship to be in some way threatening.
Apparently the Kes fans believe that her short lifespan could have (and should have) been sidestepped. For whatever reason they believe it would have made her character "even better". The quote, IIRC, is from Lynx.
^ For what it's worth (I'm not of the Kes party - I liked her character fine, but that's as far as I'm willing to go), I expect some sort of work-around could have been arranged for her short lifespan, too. Ocampans didn't have access to Trek-level medicine, after all. And I expect it would have made her character better, since - do let's admit it - the silly-short lifespan was not the finest alien trait Trek has ever come up with.
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To their credit, they did give her a nine-year lifespan, two years more than an assumed seven year run. The Ocampa could have just aged really well until they got to seven, sort of like how Sailor Moon was supposed to live for like a hundred years and still look sixteen until the day she dropped dead.
But I digress.
But I digress.
And that it was a fraking wall and NOT a fraking floor!
JoeZhang, that was great. Bonus points for the Doctor Who reference!
Bearing in mind I actually voted with the "winning" side, I doubt whether the poll makes a bit of difference to Margaret one way or another. As Captain Kirk once said, "I'll keep that in mind...when this becomes a democracy."
Bearing in mind I actually voted with the "winning" side, I doubt whether the poll makes a bit of difference to Margaret one way or another. As Captain Kirk once said, "I'll keep that in mind...when this becomes a democracy."
One of my favorite ST quotes of all time from all the series, movies, books, you name it.
No, I most certainly don't. The Borg can't recognize luck; from those factors they are able to quantify, the Federation poses no threat. Only the future-tech Voyager was equipped with is something the Borg can relate to, and they had already analyzed and were adapting to those, which renders the Federation--once again--not a threat.
I get it now. Yes, they do--just as if a ship were to attack a cube that was just sitting there, the cube would probably defend itself. The Borg don't lack a notion of self-defence, although it is extremely limited by their threat assesment ability. What I mean is after they have stopped the attack, the Borg don't retaliate. When Shelby and her away team destroyed the power thingies to force the cube out of warp, they had to beam off the cube because the drones were attacking--but the drones did not pursue them off the ship, even though Borg transporters care nothing for Federation shields, because the threat was gone. Riker tries to use their special weapon against the cube (failing since Picard had been assimilated), and the Borg have essentially no reaction--they just finish their repairs and warp on towards Earth, even though they could easily have destroyed the Enterprise then and there. The Borg just can't be bothered with things such as vindictiveness.
The series itself had shown that the Ocampan lifespan could conceivably be extended to--what was it, fourteen years?--in "Cold Fire"
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Why precisely does that surprise you?
If they'd *used* the short lifespan to explore stories about how we deal with aging and eventual death, it would have been terrific.
That's exactly my opinion too. The nine year lifespan was silly because a species with such a short lifespan would never have dveloped into more than primates, not to mention some of the other crazy things they came up with as well.
I guess that it was something of "Oh, we've never had that in Star Trek before" and when they obviously realized that neither the lifespan nor the "one-child syndrome" did work, they just let everything roll, just like "never mind, the viewers won't notice".
However, there were hints that Kes's lifespan could be prolonged, most notably in "Cold Fire" and I've always had the feeling that something like that would happen sooner or later if they hadn't dumped the character. And yes, it would have made the character even better!
Trent Roman wrote:
Yes, Tanis was fourteen and his father (I thnk it was) lived to 20 or something like that.
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I strongly disagree. We already have too much of that in certain series, not to mention in daily life as well. Star Trek is about adventures and exploring space, not a soap opera of dying and grief.
What sci-fi is really good at is exploring contemporary issues. This is a contemporary issue.
But, Lynx, I know I'm not as experienced in the pain of losing someone as you are. You're the expert on this--you've said it so many times to me, it's been permanently imprinted on my brain. You know what it's like to lose someone. I have no clue.
So take my opinion as the uninformed thing that it is, and move on.
PS: To those who don't know us, Lynx has been telling me that I'm an idiot about this for 8 years now. For the record, I'm a widow.
^ Poor, sheltered, clueless Teya!
If not used to explore death, it would have been nice if Kes' short lifespan had been used somehow. But it really wasn't, except here and there (I don't even want to talk about "Elogium"). So something about aging - even middle age - would have been interesting. And appropriate.
If not used to explore death, it would have been nice if Kes' short lifespan had been used somehow. But it really wasn't, except here and there (I don't even want to talk about "Elogium"). So something about aging - even middle age - would have been interesting. And appropriate.
I'm very dissapointed with your reply in this matter. It was rude and unnecessary. I expressed an opinion about what I want to see and don't want to see in Star Trek, there was nothing personal in it.
I thought that we had made up our differencies years ago and what I can see, we have got along pretty well for a very long time.
So why this sudden hostility?
And what I can remember, I have expressed my understanding for your loss of a beloved one many times so please don't accuse me of things I haven't done or point me out as some kind of monster without emotions because I'm not
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