Everything I heard about the 360s issues seems to have stemed from an ignorance in regards to hardware issues as opposed to not really caring about the consumer. They pretty much jammed in alot of new features when the console was essentialy completely designed; some examples being wireless controller capabilities and the harddrive. As a result air flow became crap and systems started burning out. Its not too surprising when you consider that MS is essentialy a software company ticking its nose into the hardware buisness. I do think some hard lessons have been learned though and the next Xbox will be a much more reliable machine (just like how the PS3 is far more reliable than the piece of shit PS2)
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Yeah, I think it all boils down to different experiences. On average, I think Microsoft is probably a little more evil (read: less concerned with individual customer service and customer relations) than Mac as a corporation, I've just had worse experiences with Macs. Macs can be more expensive but you get what you pay for.
Just a word of warning: I'd be careful with that PS2 as a DVD player if you intend on using it frequently. I used mine for that for about a year and a half and it (the DVD reader) just stopped working. Now I can't play 'God of War' on it anymore.
I could pay and have it fixed, but, no. I just have a separate DVD player, a very good Sony.
Doh! I can't win.
Then they should have fixed this problem long ago instead of riding it out and bleeding money.
People who paid $300-$400 for an XBOX 360 shouldn't have to buy the new system just to get a fully functional, quality gaming system that they should have had with the previous system. I'm starting to think their business model is "sell current hardware on the promise of better vaporware to come".
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Just a word of warning: I'd be careful with that PS2 as a DVD player if you intend on using it frequently. I used mine for that for about a year and a half and it (the DVD reader) just stopped working. Now I can't play 'God of War' on it anymore.
I could pay and have it fixed, but, no. I just have a separate DVD player, a very good Sony.
Doh! I can't win.
I'm pretty sure that the "disc read error" that the PS2s experience was limited to only the first 3 batches of PS2s produced all those years ago. It's caused by a plastic gear on the laser sled which automatically recalibrates the laser height inside the actual disc drive.
You can take it apart and spend 5 minutes hand cranking the gear back into place. The only time consuming part is taking the unit apart and putting it back together, I did it twice, wasn't too bad.
After the first 3 batches, Sony immediately fixed the issue and replaced the plastic gear with a metal one that doesn't "sink"
Such a problem does not exist with the slimmer nuPS2s the released at the end of the PS2's life, though they do tend to run a bit hot, but I don't know of any severe overheating problems with them, just hot.
As for the RROD issue in 360s, IBM should sure the blame on it, to an extent. That PowerPC G5 (modified) runs hot as fuck in every application it's used for.
It's the reason Apple Power Mac G5s got watercooling in them.
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Just a word of warning: I'd be careful with that PS2 as a DVD player if you intend on using it frequently. I used mine for that for about a year and a half and it (the DVD reader) just stopped working. Now I can't play 'God of War' on it anymore.
I could pay and have it fixed, but, no. I just have a separate DVD player, a very good Sony.
Doh! I can't win.
I'm pretty sure that the "disc read error" that the PS2s experience was limited to only the first 3 batches of PS2s produced all those years ago. It's caused by a plastic gear on the laser sled which automatically recalibrates the laser height inside the actual disc drive.
You can take it apart and spend 5 minutes hand cranking the gear back into place. The only time consuming part is taking the unit apart and putting it back together, I did it twice, wasn't too bad.
After the first 3 batches, Sony immediately fixed the issue and replaced the plastic gear with a metal one that doesn't "sink"
Such a problem does not exist with the slimmer nuPS2s the released at the end of the PS2's life, though they do tend to run a bit hot, but I don't know of any severe overheating problems with them, just hot.
As for the RROD issue in 360s, IBM should sure the blame on it, to an extent. That PowerPC G5 (modified) runs hot as fuck in every application it's used for.
It's the reason Apple Power Mac G5s got watercooling in them.
Hmm. Then I can still look into it.
As for Mac and the IBM chip, I'm glad Apple switched to Intel. My iMac Core Duo runs cool and I've never had a problem with it, and this system stays on 24/7.
J.
Doh! I can't win.
I'm pretty sure that the "disc read error" that the PS2s experience was limited to only the first 3 batches of PS2s produced all those years ago. It's caused by a plastic gear on the laser sled which automatically recalibrates the laser height inside the actual disc drive.
You can take it apart and spend 5 minutes hand cranking the gear back into place. The only time consuming part is taking the unit apart and putting it back together, I did it twice, wasn't too bad.
After the first 3 batches, Sony immediately fixed the issue and replaced the plastic gear with a metal one that doesn't "sink"
Such a problem does not exist with the slimmer nuPS2s the released at the end of the PS2's life, though they do tend to run a bit hot, but I don't know of any severe overheating problems with them, just hot.
As for the RROD issue in 360s, IBM should sure the blame on it, to an extent. That PowerPC G5 (modified) runs hot as fuck in every application it's used for.
It's the reason Apple Power Mac G5s got watercooling in them.
Hmm. Then I can still look into it.
As for Mac and the IBM chip, I'm glad Apple switched to Intel. My iMac Core Duo runs cool and I've never had a problem with it, and this system stays on 24/7.
J.
I personally would have prefered them going with a cooler multicored PowerPC G5. But Jobs exploded at IBM and that was the end of that.
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My intel Mac has been rather sprightly, but I know what you mean.
Anyhoo, I just looked up Amazon on a few things, and I can buy a used (like new) PS2 Slim, 2 wireless controllers and 10 games (some new, some used like new) for the same price as the 360.
J.
My PS2 needs another adjustment, but I don't feel like doing it for the 3rd time, but, I do miss my all my old PS1 Final Fantasy games...
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I'm too impatient for the eventual re-release of FF7 for the current gen consoles, not confirmed, but it's inevitable.
And we still have god knows how long until FF13 comes out. It looks awesome.
I agree, but unfortunately that is how the world works. While I did have a RROD, I was fortunate in that my issue was handled quickly and smoothly. That said though, I doubt their buisness model is "sell current hardware on the promise of better vaporware" since they have taken a hit of millions and millions of dollars on this issue. As a result, it deffinetly seems to fall into the "we fucked up" category as opposed to the "screw the consumer" issue. They have tried to impliment improvments on the systems in order to fix the problem but I am not sure how successful they have been. They may need to do a total redesign at some point, such as the ones done on the PS1 and PS2 in order to somehow fix the problem. Something like that would take alot of time to impliment though.
Indeed. I would have thought that they would have gone this route. That being said, their issues with nVidia during the creation of the original Xbox may have made them a little more cautious though with contracting out parts, let alone the manufacture of the entire system.
Let me try this again. Here's story about the E74 error.
http://www.dailytech.com/New+Xbox+3...orted+in+Significant+Numbers/article14662.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/New+Xbox+3...orted+in+Significant+Numbers/article14662.htm
My replacement 360 is supposed to arrive today. I give Microsoft credit for moving so fast - it crapped out just 10 days ago.
So we'll see how long the new one lasts ...
So we'll see how long the new one lasts ...
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Bingo. And in my case, they lost a customer, not like they're really concerned about that.
J.
Just a word of warning: I'd be careful with that PS2 as a DVD player if you intend on using it frequently. I used mine for that for about a year and a half and it (the DVD reader) just stopped working. Now I can't play 'God of War' on it anymore.
I could pay and have it fixed, but, no. I just have a separate DVD player, a very good Sony.
Doh! I can't win.
I'm pretty sure that the "disc read error" that the PS2s experience was limited to only the first 3 batches of PS2s produced all those years ago. It's caused by a plastic gear on the laser sled which automatically recalibrates the laser height inside the actual disc drive.
You can take it apart and spend 5 minutes hand cranking the gear back into place. The only time consuming part is taking the unit apart and putting it back together, I did it twice, wasn't too bad.
After the first 3 batches, Sony immediately fixed the issue and replaced the plastic gear with a metal one that doesn't "sink"
Such a problem does not exist with the slimmer nuPS2s the released at the end of the PS2's life, though they do tend to run a bit hot, but I don't know of any severe overheating problems with them, just hot.
Mine is a slim one. Maybe it's not slim enough?
I just got mine back today, and it took about the same amount of time once I got the label vs. box thing sorted out. (D'oh.)
The casing at least isn't the same as my original, because it's much whiter than my faded one. I still have to check the serial number to see for sure. I have a feeling it may just be a completely different one. It worked when I cranked it up briefly earlier but I have to hook up to XBOX Live and do all that.
I fired it up last night and it seems to be working fine. Interestingly, it appears to be the same unit - the serial number on the casing is the same.
When the UPS guy dropped it off, he handed me the box and said "Here's your Xbox, hope you don't get another red ring." He said he delivers at least a dozen of them a week.
Like I said before, I give MS a lot of credit for handling the problem well. But like others have said, if it wasn't for a major design flaw, we wouldn't be having to send the units back for replacement in the first place. Let's hope they can avoid it on the next-gen version of the console.
When the UPS guy dropped it off, he handed me the box and said "Here's your Xbox, hope you don't get another red ring." He said he delivers at least a dozen of them a week.
Like I said before, I give MS a lot of credit for handling the problem well. But like others have said, if it wasn't for a major design flaw, we wouldn't be having to send the units back for replacement in the first place. Let's hope they can avoid it on the next-gen version of the console.
Apparently MSFT is going to cover the "one red light" E74 error under the 3 year warranty too.
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/6...ures-Now-Covered-Under-Extended-Warranty.html
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/6...ures-Now-Covered-Under-Extended-Warranty.html
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