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Where's Gary Mitchell?

I've always found this argument to be a pretty bogus one, personally, anyway. Yes, if you keep selling new "updates" to the same Encyclopedia (and charging through the nose for glossy paper and other things that don't really add any real "fan value" to the thing anyway!), or publish "The Ferengi Rules of Acquisition" and "Neelix's Cookbook" or whatever... and seem stumped by why the sales fall off... you've got bigger problems.

You seem to be reading my mind! I have all editions of the Encyclopedia, but they messed up the last edition when they didn't even try to integrate the update and just slapped it in an appendix... but I could accept that. However, The Ferengi Rules of Acquisition? Star Trek holidays and celebrations? A cookbook? Tiny booklets like this Federation passport? That stuff's not only useless, but also downright stupid!

[...] if the fans were given something THAT THEY ACTUALLY WANTED, [...], the sales would be just fine. [...] I stopped buying stuff because there was nothing out there worth buying!

Yep, same here. The Star Trek Star Fleet Technical Manual and Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise became true classics and are still sought after, as are the various 'Making of...' books or the huge coffee table tomes. These are worth reading, even after the hundredth time!

[...] physical books are far more flexible and readable... easier to use, etc... and I can read a book ANYWHERE... in bright sunlight at the beach, or using my booklight, in bed, without disturbing my girlfriend who wants to sleep. And every single page is clear, sharp, and easy to read. Even without internet or electricity! WOW... what an innovation! :)

I have the Simon & Schuster digital encyclopedia... but I haven't looked at it since years now. Start up my laptop and put in the CD just to look for something that just flashed through my mind? I don't think so. I swivel around in my office chair, take the book I want from my bookshelf and voila!
 
P.S.
The area code for Munich is 089, not 89! :guffaw:

Then Munich rapes my childhood.

Well, it raped my freshman year at university...

So, the 'NCC-0514' registry might only be some kind of bureaucratic mess in Starfleet admin or a sloppy paint job in the orbital drydock.

That works, though at this point I'm more content to assume Captain Robau decided to be badass and give his ship the registry number he wanted for it, thus the zero.

I could live with that, too...
However, right now I rather fancy the idea that the poor sod who botched up the paintjob of Captain Robau's beloved starship had to have his head surgically removed from his posterior... :devil:

Ooh, I like that one more!
 
And the "you can find information on the 'net" argument falls flat... while someday, published books may REALLY be replaced by some "Kindle-like" device, as of today, physical books are far more flexible and readable... easier to use, etc... and I can read a book ANYWHERE... in bright sunlight at the beach, or using my booklight, in bed, without disturbing my girlfriend who wants to sleep. And every single page is clear, sharp, and easy to read. Even without internet or electricity! WOW... what an innovation! :)

:lol:

Reminds me of this recent Penny Arcade strip.
Which is pretty much a comic version of an old librarians' joke. ;)
 
Gary does make a brief cameo in the film...

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Thank God. I vas vorried. :)

First... Mitchell will never be serving on the Enterprise under Kirk (in fact, I strongly suspect that in the new timeline, this movie occurs after WNMHGB would have occurred!) And the chances of Mitchell being hit by the "God-force" in the Galactic Barrier is almost none. So Mitchell will live well past then, and might live to a ripe old age.

Second... Kirk will never have become involved with Carol Marcus. Which means no David Marcus. Which means no Genesis Project... at least, not in any form remotely similar to what we saw in the flicks.

Actually, wouldn't it be interesting if, in this "alternate reality," Mitchell had hooked up with Carol... and started an actual STABLE family life?

So, what you're actually saying is that David Marcus will probably be David Mitchell and will likely live to a ripe old age himself because his mother, with her heart not broken by James Kirk, will never think of it in the first place?

I love the new continuity. :cool:
 
Here I am mortals.:cool:
Thank you.

I don't think that Gary Mitchell was 'dropped' on purpose. There is apparently no place for him within the story told in this movie, in other words, he is not important.
He is not important? How dare you?!:eek:

In the bathroom.
Have you tried those food slot burritos? You'd be in the bathroom too.

Gary does make a brief cameo in the film...

garymitchell.jpg
Good eye.

It's easy to make the "why not everybody else argument", but Mitchell showed up in the first Kirk episode and was sold as a good friend of Kirk's, all the way back to the Academy. Ever since the movie was announced and we started getting details, it's always felt wrong to me that Gary wasn't in it some way. With the writers pulling so much info from novels and behind the scenes stuff, it seems extra wrong that they glossed over Gary. I guess I can always hold out hope for the sequel.
I will remember not to smite you.



Gary Mitchell is in the same closet as Mr. Adventure back on Earth.
No. I have a slight case of claustrophobia.
 
Gary does make a brief cameo in the film...

garymitchell.jpg

Thank God. I vas vorried. :)

First... Mitchell will never be serving on the Enterprise under Kirk (in fact, I strongly suspect that in the new timeline, this movie occurs after WNMHGB would have occurred!) And the chances of Mitchell being hit by the "God-force" in the Galactic Barrier is almost none. So Mitchell will live well past then, and might live to a ripe old age.

Second... Kirk will never have become involved with Carol Marcus. Which means no David Marcus. Which means no Genesis Project... at least, not in any form remotely similar to what we saw in the flicks.

Actually, wouldn't it be interesting if, in this "alternate reality," Mitchell had hooked up with Carol... and started an actual STABLE family life?

So, what you're actually saying is that David Marcus will probably be David Mitchell and will likely live to a ripe old age himself because his mother, with her heart not broken by James Kirk, will never think of it in the first place?

I love the new continuity. :cool:

All I can say about this is: Bad. Very bad. First no Gary Mitchell, and now no relationship between Kirk and Carol, and thus no David? No. By all that's holy, no....
 
If the publishers say that books don't sell, they don't sell. These people know what they're doing.
If the publishers are putting out materials that nobody wants, and they then say that those books don't sell... you're right, they don't sell.

Of course, if they put out materials that people wanted, then THOSE materials would probably sell.

Can you follow that logic?

"Publishers" aren't magical, all-knowing demi-gods. Nor are screenwriters, nor are producers, nor are any of the other "authorities" that we seem to so often be told we're not allowed to question.

If publishers are publishing CRAP (and I think it's a generally-accepted fact that the majority of what was published under the Trek label... particularly in the "non-prose" categories... for quite a few years has failed to rise above that particular level!), and they somehow then seem surprised that crap doesn't sell... what the hell were they expecting?

This is the point I keep making (and keep getting opposed on by several folks in here, yourself often among them). "Star Trek fans" don't want something dramatically different than what other "non-Star-Trek fans" want. We just want a little bit additional. If we get what we want, the "non-fans" also get what they want... because we all want good, quality entertainment.

This applies to publishing as well. Niche-publishing, such as technical references (any technical references, not specifically "trek references"), will never have the sort of broad appeal to every consumer that a well-crafted movie will. Never have, never will. And that's OK. You target your publishing to your audience, and you keep realistic expectations.

But c'mon, Dennis... do you HONESTLY think that "Neelix's Cookbook" was a great idea? How many people REALLY want to spend a pile of change on the "Star Trek Starcharts" book (nicely done, but of very little entertainment value to anyone... best used as a reference for writers, I think)? Yet you still find copies of the Franz Joseph stuff being sold, thirty-plus years later. And his book wasn't on glossy paper with metallic ink throughout, was it?

It's the CONTENT we want. We couldn't, for the most part, care less about having it be a 30-lb tome on archival, acid-free glossy paper. If that makes for a $40 book, and they can't sell enough $40 books to make a profit... then sell a square-bound book on normal paper stock, and sell it for $20.

If the audience is smaller, you don't plan as though you have a larger audience. But you don't stop serving your audience, either. You come up with a business model that maximizes your sales.

The problem with "trek publishing" over the past few years hasn't been that the market isn't there... the market is pretty much the same as it always has been, at least for this sort of niche-item product. The problem is that the product that this niche market is willing to pay for hasn't been available, and the product that was put out was "put the words 'Star Trek' on any crap and the mindless drones will buy it. Change the cover art and they'll buy it again."

If the publishing folks were SURPRISED by the fact that this turned out not to be true... then that says more about them than it does about the market.
 
...if...all of the other characters, places, events, ships, etc. which people had been insisting had to be in the movie actually were in the movie, you'd be looking at a seventeen-hour marathon of fanboy checklist action.

Or as we like to call it, "Star Trek: Enterprise, Season Four."

:lol: True, but that season almost justified Enterprise's existence to some hardcore Trekkers like myself. Couldn't let a movie get hampered that way though. The beauty of an alternate timeline is the butterfly effect: they can pick and choose consistency or divergence from the most minuscule detail to the most pivotal historical watershed, all on the basis of what serves the plot and the reboot. And it can be explained as originating from any single altered event, without having to trace exactly how A changed B, and so on.

I have no problem with it, as long as it's at least implicitly understood from the script that things like Mitchell and even the look of the tech and uniforms are the result of the new timeline rather than "re-imagining".
 
Season four of Enterprise was when the series finally displayed some serious potential.

Too bad it was too late at that point.
 
If Kirk is going into the Academy later in life than he did in the original timeline, then it is very possible that Mitchell had already graduated by the time Kirk goes in with this movie.

Maybe the news coverage of the destruction of the Kelvin led Gary's parents to dissuade him from ever entering Starfleet in the first place. Maybe it motivated him to join earlier than it would have. Maybe he joined the MACOs instead.
 
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"Gary? He said he was going to cut class and go kayaking, right over by th- ... oh, my!"
 
If the publishers are putting out materials that nobody wants, and they then say that those books don't sell... you're right, they don't sell.

Of course, if they put out materials that people wanted, then THOSE materials would probably sell.

Can you follow that logic?

[...]

Not only that, I agree with you wholeheartedly! :techman::techman::techman:
 
Season four of Enterprise was when the series finally displayed some serious potential.

Season Four was a reach-around for the fanbois who'd stuck with the show, once the studio and network threw in the towel.

So you admit seasons 1-3 were pretty much fucking said fanbois up the ass?

Will Trek XI be our rusty trombone or our dirty sanchez? (I'm expecting a cleveland steamer, myself.)
 
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