I don't really care about anybody but the senior staff.
Vorik is a minor character to me and not important. Hell I always found him extremely boring.
Ok, somebody explain this to me - I know that I'm stupid, but what does 'QFT' stand for?
Poll: Bring Janeway back?
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I don't really care about anybody but the senior staff.
Vorik is a minor character to me and not important. Hell I always found him extremely boring.
Ok, somebody explain this to me - I know that I'm stupid, but what does 'QFT' stand for?
Had I been able I would have voted "I don't care as long as the story is good" - as you so cleverly suggested.
And since we're all be able to agree on what a good story is then I guess problem solved.
Um under that logic the Enterprise should have had a different name in TNG because Kirk wasn't the captain of the ship anymore. Also why call it Star Trek if the show is about the adventures of some other crew besides Kirk and company.
And since we're all be able to agree on what a good story is then I guess problem solved.
For our next trick: Fixing the global economy, with side orders of world peace and mitigating climate change. Hold the mayo.
Had I been able I would have voted "I don't care as long as the story is good" - as you so cleverly suggested.
And since we're all be able to agree on what a good story is then I guess problem solved.
Now that would most likely be a problem. I agree on that as well.
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I don't really care about anybody but the senior staff.
Vorik is a minor character to me and not important. Hell I always found him extremely boring.
Ok, somebody explain this to me - I know that I'm stupid, but what does 'QFT' stand for?
Well Golden made him the chief so he has to stay for Full Circle.
If there was an option for - she pops back in after several years with something enlightening to say... I'd go for that. But since the options are yes, yes, and no... I can't pick any of those. Sisko was enough of this type of idea, and I say, if she wants to pull a Vash, more power to her.
I was of course talking about the name of the line of books. We were talk about Voyager books, right? Meaning not just the ship, but the crew as well. Calling it Voyager implies that the characters from the show is involved and if they aren't...well then they should rename it.
I'd be pissed if I picked up a book thinking it was about a crew I love and discovered that it really wasnt.
I'm sorry you decided to misunderstand my statement, but I'm getting used to it. It's alright. I'm not upset. I'm finding it rather runny.
Edit - thanks for the translation. Not being a native speaker, I'd never have figured that one out.
I don't think anybody wants a bad or boring story. I think we all want a good story. However, I don't particularly care if it ties into the current line or not. A good story does not depend on that in my opinion.
Had I been able I would have voted "I don't care as long as the story is good" - as you so cleverly suggested.
Yeah, I have the same problem. I voted for the first one, not because I'm not interested in good stories, but because I'm not invested enough in the current story being told to vote for the second choice. I want good stories, but my interest in Janeway as a character trumps my interest in the current Voyager books' storyline.
Maybe it's the fanfic enthusiast in me, but I'm a big fan of 'versioning'. I think there are a lot more stories that can be told with Janeway, and a lot of missed opportunities to explore her character. She's a Trek captain ffs - she's damned important to the mythology. So I'd definitely be in favour of a Janeway return in Pocket Books - or even varient timeline stories where she's not dead.
The dead!Janeway stories might turn out to be awesome - I've never bought a non-TNG PB, but I might check out Full Circle from the library. But they're definitely not the only good stories that can be told about her character after the return from the DQ. It's a huge missed story-telling opportunity for trek books to drop the character.
I suppose that's part of the joy of unpublished fanfic - there's more room for plurality. Actually, I think greater variation in possible canons in Treklit would be awesome. Since the books are a seperate canon-unto-themselves from the official canon anyway. I reckon it'd rock to have multiple arcs with books that are internally consistent, but not hold all Trek books en masse to a single continuity. There's a lot to be said for the story-telling potential of multiverses.
No, calling it Voyager implies that it (mainly) is set on a ship named Voyager. Nothing more, and nothing less.
If it was called The Amazing Captain Janeway and her Delta-Quadrant Crew you would have a point, though.
Ahhh...but you see it wasn't always like that. Once it meant ship and crew.
However, if that's the case then I suggest they rename the ship in order not to confuse potential customers - or just call it NN. Calling it Voyager seems like misleading marketing to me.
Of course, according to Amazon UK, she is back! Their blurb for Full Circle reads:
"Product Description
978-0-74346-754-4 When the U.S.S. Voyager is dispatched on an urgent mission to the planet Kerovi, Captain Chakotay and his first officer, Commander Thomas Paris, must choose between following orders and saving the lives of two of those dearest to them. B'Elanna Torres and her daughter, Miral, are both missing in the wake of a brutal attack on the Klingon world of Boreth. With the aid of their former captain, Admiral Kathryn Janeway -- as well as many old friends and new allies -- Voyager's crew must unravel an ancient mystery, placing themselves between two warrior sects battling for the soul of the Klingon people ...while the life of Mirl hangs in the balance. But these events and their repurcussions are merely the prelude to even darker days to come. As Voyager is drawn into a desperate struggle to prevent the annihilation of the Federation, lives are shattered, and the bonds that were forged in the Delta Quadrant are challenged in ways that none could have imagined. For though destiny has dealt them crushing blows, Voyager's crew must rise to face their future ...and begin a perilous journey in which the wheel of fate comes full circle."
"Product Description
978-0-74346-754-4 When the U.S.S. Voyager is dispatched on an urgent mission to the planet Kerovi, Captain Chakotay and his first officer, Commander Thomas Paris, must choose between following orders and saving the lives of two of those dearest to them. B'Elanna Torres and her daughter, Miral, are both missing in the wake of a brutal attack on the Klingon world of Boreth. With the aid of their former captain, Admiral Kathryn Janeway -- as well as many old friends and new allies -- Voyager's crew must unravel an ancient mystery, placing themselves between two warrior sects battling for the soul of the Klingon people ...while the life of Mirl hangs in the balance. But these events and their repurcussions are merely the prelude to even darker days to come. As Voyager is drawn into a desperate struggle to prevent the annihilation of the Federation, lives are shattered, and the bonds that were forged in the Delta Quadrant are challenged in ways that none could have imagined. For though destiny has dealt them crushing blows, Voyager's crew must rise to face their future ...and begin a perilous journey in which the wheel of fate comes full circle."
Voyager always was only the name of the ship. Or have I missed that they really where named Kathryn Janeway-Voyager, Chakotay Voyager, Tuvok Voyager, etc. ?
You know just as well as I do that the books were named after the show so that people could find them easily at the store, and the books did originally contain the crew as well. Unless of course my Voyager books are different from yours.
And they don't mention a female Captain or a resident Admiral
Wheeee! Another Janeway thread! Someone somewhere in charge has to notice the controversy and I hope that means someone at Pocket is giving a return serious thought. Of course I want her back and I've suspended disbelief at some very strange Trek occurrences! Spock's Brain? The Great Bird of the Galaxy? A crystalline spider who calculates alternate possibilities? I wasn't sure at first but know I know I do want her back. Well, I always did but it would help tremendosuly if the story were good. I thought Before Dishonour well done and I felt Janeway's death was not as gory and disrespectful as some worried. Her going to the cube was posited as an unconscious way to pay respect to a worthy enemy. I also must confess my appetite for all TrekLit has been whetted by the Janeway controversy - I had been away for a few years but I had to see what the noise was about!
Sorry, short answer is yes.
Sorry, short answer is yes.
This is your idea of maturity? If I'm a fan of Picard, Sisko and Janeway, does that make me semi-petulant? Only half-adult in your eyes, perhaps? (And, as has been pointed out before, Sisko has never been dead. Taking on a secondary role is hardly the same as being killed, because there's always potential for development with the former, whereas the latter destroys all potential.)
What does "ffs" stand for?
Fully agreed. There were plenty of places a competant author could have driven Janeway and the rest of the cast on the basis on pre-existing characterization and plots without resorting to an artificial stunt to propel the story forward from there. Hopefully, Full Circle--taking place over a two year period as it does--will have gaps in it's chronology where it would be possible to situate more stories, although they'll forever be tainted by the foreknowledge of Before Dishonor.
I imagine we all know this already, but just in case: Janeway is in the Full Circle blurb because the book begins prior to her murder. Do not confuse her presence there for hope.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
FFS = "For f*ck's sake."
I was tempted to roar that bit in ALL CAPS, actually, but feared a mod-thwopping.
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