Poll: Bring Janeway back?

[Brit]

Is that another vote for all ST novels having predictably happy endings? Are divorces allowed? Miscarriages? Promotions? Demotions? Lost limbs? Lost virginity?

Half of all fiction sold has just that premise. By Publishing and Editorial rule those books are required to end with the illusion of Happily Ever After (HEA). Even Pocket Books own rules (which readers took as a commitment) says there shall be no major character death. It's not childish, it's people mad a hell. Just because you don't see the point doesn't mean there isn't one. And if it takes saying again and again, over and over that Janeway has to come back then so be it.

Brit

 

[belle paris]

Based on LighteningStorm's comments here:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=85694

this poll should be okay. Besides, while I'm not the OP of the other thread I am intrigued...

That was me!

 

[Lonemagpie]

She could be like Kenny in South Park, and get killed in every story (though, all things considered, I'd rather that happened to Neelix)

 

[BillJ]

If Pocket brings Janeway back, I would never buy another Voyager novel. It just seems like a lack of commitment to the storyline they created.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Even Pocket Books own rules (which readers took as a commitment) says there shall be no major character death...

...in proposal manuscripts submitted by new prospective writers of licensed ST tie-ins.

The regular stable of Pocket Books were not necessarily so hamstrung, they merely had to get their premise past Paula Block (and Richard Arnold). Once each show ended its television/movie run, so more and more of the sandbags could be dismantled.

Even way back in the 80s and 90s, TOS canonical characters like Garrovick, Miri, T'Pau and Amanda were killed off in the novels, and Mirror Universe characters and some TOS Klingons were killed off by DC Comics. And now, the regulars of the now-dead TV shows are also fair game.

 

[Thrawn]

Is that another vote for all ST novels having predictably happy endings? Are divorces allowed? Miscarriages? Promotions? Demotions? Lost limbs? Lost virginity?

Half of all fiction sold has just that premise. By Publishing and Editorial rule those books are required to end with the illusion of Happily Ever After (HEA). Even Pocket Books own rules (which readers took as a commitment) says there shall be no major character death. It's not childish, it's people mad a hell. Just because you don't see the point doesn't mean there isn't one. And if it takes saying again and again, over and over that Janeway has to come back then so be it.

Brit

Yeah, pretty sure you don't understand how this works; that was never a "commitment" to readers, it was a set of rules for new writers, one that is explicitly to see if the new writer can do a proposal that follows rules well. Almost NONE of the books published follow those guidelines anymore, but since the narratives are ongoing, the editors commission those works one by one; they look at the submissions to see if the potential writer is one who can follow editorial rules and decisions, write within constraints, and then if they like it they'll ask them to pitch more complicated stories.

I'm sorry you felt Pocket had committed to keeping main characters alive, but as every decision has to be approved by Paramount/CBS, including this one, it's clear that that has never been the case.

 

[JD]

But you know what? Let's put it to the test : let's kill off Picard and Sisko permanently in upcoming novels, and then let's see how adult their fans will be...

I say sure, I would love to see what kind of an effect this would have on the Trekverse. With Picard, we would get to see Worf as Captain, which I think would be very interesting, and then we would also get to see all of the various crew members who have served with him over the years reacting, so theoretically the effects of this could be felt all the way through Titan, SCE, and DS9. Then there would also be Beverly having to deal with his death, and cope with raising another child without his (her?) father around. As for Sisko, while we have already seen alot of what it would be like if he died, I still think it would be interesting to see how the characters react when they know he won't be coming back.

 

[Lonemagpie]

But you know what? Let's put it to the test : let's kill off Picard and Sisko permanently in upcoming novels, and then let's see how adult their fans will be...

I say sure, I would love to see what kind of an effect this would have on the Trekverse.

TBH, I *really* expected Picard to bite the big one in either Destiny or A Singular Destiny. And, not having got the last couple yet, I don't know that he doesn't...

 

[Elemental]

I personally think she really should at some point in time. I don't feel her character got a proper enough send off to justify her being gone forever.

 

[Dark Gilligan]

There's hardly any main characters left in the so-called Voyager relaunch so I would suggest that they change the name of the book series and the ship as well.

What a truly odd thing to say. You do realize that Voyager is the name of a Starfleet vessel and not the crew assigned to her. How many crews manned the Enterprise? People come and go but she's still the Enterprise, regardless of any bloody A, B, C, D or E. Should Tuvok have changed his name when he transferred to the Titan? Or Worf and Miles O'Brien when they were assigned to DS9?

Spoiler: Full Circle and Unworthy

Janeway is gone, Chakotay is leaving, and Voyager is returning to the Delta Quadrant with a new female captain (and a resident admiral as well). These are good things, with exciting story possibilities ahead.

 

[Thrawn]

Dark Gilligan, you think you could spoiler that last paragraph please? I didn't know any of that.

 

[brcarthey]

There's hardly any main characters left in the so-called Voyager relaunch so I would suggest that they change the name of the book series and the ship as well.

...

Spoiler: Full Circle and Unworthy

Janeway is gone, Chakotay is leaving, and Voyager is returning to the Delta Quadrant with a new female captain (and a resident admiral as well). These are good things, with exciting story possibilities ahead.

you'll have to forgive lynx. he gets verklempt pretty easily. but, it will be weird to voyager fans not having almost half the original crew (the three highest ranking officers) from the show in the novels in the near future.

give it time, i'm sure most of us we'll come around. however, i would like to know where you heard that

Spoiler: Full Circle

voyager is getting a new female captain and resident admiral and returning to the DQ?

 

[Dark Gilligan]

^^ The excerpts from Full Circle (hence the title) are posted at Amazon.

 

[Gorf]

give it time, i'm sure most of us we'll come around.

I think you're wrong. I think they'll lose a lot of Voyager fans over this. With most of the crew gone it's just not Voyager so I rather agree with Lynx - they should rename the line.

It may be the name of the ship, but it's has zero to do with the show - apart from the ship of course.

 

[Dark Gilligan]

Dark Gilligan, you think you could spoiler that last paragraph please? I didn't know any of that.

Oops, sorry. That info's been out there for a while now. Mods, a little help please with a spoiler code?

 

[brcarthey]

give it time, i'm sure most of us we'll come around.

I think you're wrong. I think they'll lose a lot of Voyager fans over this. With most of the crew gone it's just not Voyager so I rather agree with Lynx - they should rename the line.

It may be the name of the ship, but it's has zero to do with the show - apart from the ship of course.

sorry, i meant janeway primarily if, indeed, they keep her dead, dead. you're right in that it won't be the same if all three remain unattached to the ship. i guess in this respect we should've wished for voyager to remain in the DQ at the end of the series run.

 

[ronny]

i voted no but i'm not thrilled with the options. by far the worst option though is the first one. maybe it's because there's been a bunch of long threads saying the same thing over and over and i'm getting tired of it but it comes across to me as "i don't care about the story, i just want that character back, it doesn't matter what she does."

i guess i would vote for "i don't care as long as the stories are good" but that wasn't an option, maybe because the person who created the poll is one of the people who voted for what i call the "i don't care about the story" option.

 

[Gorf]

sorry, i meant janeway primarily if, indeed, they keep her dead, dead. you're right in that it won't be the same if all three remain unattached to the ship. i guess in this respect we should've wished for voyager to remain in the DQ at the end of the series run.

Got ya, and I quite agree so no worries. Considering where the Voyager line ended up, they should definitely have kept them in the DQ.

Somebody here has said earlier that only Chakotay and Harry are on Voyager at the end of Full Circle and Chakotay wont be Captain in the next book so perhaps we'll only have Harry left. I don't know if that's true, but it sure made it very clear to me that Voyager isn't Voyager anymore and I have no interest in the books they put out until they change that.

Voyager needs its crew and captain or they might as well rename it.

 

[crohnie]

Yes as long as it makes sense and would be true to other Trek books out there.

QFT

Somebody here has said earlier that only Chakotay and Harry are on Voyager at the end of Full Circle and Chakotay wont be Captain in the next book so perhaps we'll only have Harry left. I don't know if that's true, but it sure made it very clear to me that Voyager isn't Voyager anymore and I have no interest in the books they put out until they change that.

Voyager needs its crew and captain or they might as well rename it.

Of the senior staff, yeah he's the only one left. But I don't know what's going to happen to characters like Vorik. He was the chief engineer as of Spirit walk.

 

[Gorf]

i voted no but i'm not thrilled with the options. by far the worst option though is the first one. ...but it comes across to me as "i don't care about the story, i just want that character back, it doesn't matter what she does."

i guess i would vote for "i don't care as long as the stories are good" but that wasn't an option, maybe because the person who created the poll is one of the people who voted for what i call the "i don't care about the story" option.

I don't think anybody wants a bad or boring story. I think we all want a good story. However, I don't particularly care if it ties into the current line or not. A good story does not depend on that in my opinion.

Had I been able I would have voted "I don't care as long as the story is good" - as you so cleverly suggested.