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I've mostly given up...

Don't put women on a pedestal, like so many guys here make the mistake of doing. We are just people too. Nothing more special than any of the guys around you, just different physically (and sometimes mentally). But there is no reason to see us as hot goddesses that you are afraid to go up and talk to because we might squish you with our thumb. There are some women who are stuck up, bitchy, and arrogant out there, just like there are some guys like that too. But the vast majority of women just want to be treated as regular people, an equal that you can have a normal conversation with. Don't only go up to women you think are hotties or only talk to them with the intention of some day dating them. Talk to any woman you meet, just like you would talk to a guy you meet, without thinking about the future sex or whether or not they are attracted to you. Because that stuff comes later. If you meet someone and you have the same interests, can make each other laugh, get along great, etc. then the attraction will come for both of you and you can think about maybe dating this person at that point. And if she doesn't want to, fine, then you still have met a nice friend, or at least an acquaintance.

From your posts around here you have always seemed to see women as things to be dated, rather than actual people just like you who have the same thoughts, feelings, and desires as you. You are not a lion who has to prowl around searching for a mate to take advantage of every day. And by take advantage, in your case I mean finding some woman who would somehow be strange enough to actually like you. That's the way you seem to see it. That you have to manipulate your online profile to convince women that you are likeable. That you have to somehow innocently trick them into thinking you're great.

You shouldn't have to convince anyone. Really. This is why so many girls go out of their way to be sweet to guys who treat them like crap. Because they have low self-esteem, so they feel like they can't do any better, so they have to convince the douchebag guy that they are cute and likeable. You should never ever have to convince someone to like you! BE YOURSELF, and some people will like it, and some won't. But when you do meet someone who likes you, you won't be insecure and worried about them leaving you because you will know that they like you for who you are - and you never had to convince them to do it.

My point is, don't see women as these dating objects to be revered, that are so high above you that you have to "trick" them into liking you. See them as regular people who are very much like you and me, who just want to have a nice conversation without the pressure of dating in the back of their mind, without having to worry if they are attractive or funny enough. Just be nice to people, all men and all women, and treat them with respect, and people will like that. And maybe it will lead to a date.
 
Treker, you're doing many things wrong.

First, what Spot said earlier -- you're putting women on a pedestal.

Second, you intensely dislike yourself, your lot in life and your current direction, yet you refuse to do anything about it.

Finally, you're seeking to define yourself with a relationship, as though being in one will somehow fix all of your problems. It doesn't work that way. You can't be in a stable relationship with someone if your own head is a jumble of unresolved shit that you're just trying to ignore.

Get your own self straightened out, learn to like yourself, and maybe then you'll be in a position for other matters.
 
As a girl and one who didn't marry until I was in my 30's my advice is as follows:

1. Be happy being alone. It isn't fair (or profitable) to have someone else responsible for your happiness.

2. Volunteer. Women tend to be more active in volunteer work. You're more likely to find a better class woman, too.

3. Get involved in social organizations with local meetings (Trek clubs, gamer's groups, bicycling, star gazing, whatever...)

4. Go and do things with your male friends...many will have sisters, friends, coworkers, cousins, etc, and they might be willing to fix you up.

5. Like yourself...why should some woman like you, if you do not like yourself?
 
I just took a visit to a local nightspot, paid the cover charge, hanged out listening to the music, looking at the hotties and well still don't have the courage or what it takes to approach them and obviously I was nothing to be impressed over as I got no attention either.

I understand where you're coming from, because before I met my bf, when I was going out every weekend, I was the guy who would stand in the corner and drink my beer, never talking to anyone all night except for the bartenders when it came time for the next drink.

I know that there are some fundamental differences between the way gay men and straight women react in the bar scene, but let me share with you some advice I got a couple of years ago from a guy who started chatting with me in a bar on Pride Weekend.

If you walk up to a girl and start talking, and she tells you she's not interested, what have you lost? You don't know her, she doesn't know you - you may never even see her again. So what does her opinion matter? She's the one who's giving up a chance to get to know you, whether it's because she's shallow or because she's just not in the mood to get to know someone that night. If that happens, you just go on to the next young woman who strikes your fancy.

I know you're not looking for something transient, because that's not the way you work. But meeting someone to date works the same way. If you start a conversation, and the girl isn't interested... BIG DEAL. Again, you don't know her. You may never see her again. SHE DOESN'T MATTER. On to the next girl, who may be more interested in getting to know you.

The ironic thing is that the guy who gave me this insight was a straight guy from Calgary who was in town visiting friends. Yeah, I was getting advice on picking up gay guys from a straight guy from Cowtown. :lol:

But the thing is, it worked. And I realized that pretty much every time I actually did find the nerve to chat a guy up, it actually worked. I'm nowhere near the best looking guy out there - I'm not ripped, I don't have the "heroin chic" look going, and I'm not 20 years old - but nearly every time I actually put the effort forth to pick up a guy, I ended up going home with him. (And when I say "every time", I mean about five times in ten years. Like I said, I'm really, really shy in that area. Even after this epiphany, I didn't actually feel moved to hit on anyone very often.)

Oh, and if you can't find a girl who wants more than a one-night stand in that environment, start going to science fiction conventions. Seriously. I know more people who have met their significant others at cons than I can count. I've dated a few guys I've met at cons - in fact, I met my boyfriend at Dragon*Con in Atlanta. (Remember Evil_Admiral? He brought his roommate to the con and introduced us. He had no intention of fixing us up and had no idea what he was unleashing, but we hit it off. :) )
 
That's actually solid advice and something I should remember when I get a little cowardly at times. It's something most singles should keep in mind. Good post.
 
Trekker,

Just on a hunch, I quickly Googled science fiction and Trek fan clubs in Kansas City since I seem to recall you living near there. I found a ton of possibilities. Even if a few turn out to be dead links it seems to me that if I were in your shoes I'd be able to find someplace where I could go and check out local science fiction clubs at least...

And, don't be afraid to look into local science fiction clubs that you haven't got a lot of interest in either. If you go to one of their neetings, the people there will know of other groups in the area that might turn out to be a group you like but would not have known about.

Just as an example, while I knew of the Trek fan club in my area, by asking the members there, I found out about:
  1. The Arizona Regional Doctor Who Informational Society - T.A.R.D.I.S. for short
  2. Central Arizona Speculative Fiction Society - CASFS
  3. Dark Ones - a local scifi fan group that hosts periodic all night parties
  4. Phoenix Fantasy Film Society
  5. THEM - Arizona State University's scifi club
  6. Superstition Space Modelling Society
  7. Western Science Fiction Association
And these are just the clubs that meet within 25 miles of me. There's also another half dozen or so clubs that I know of in the Tucson area.

You might also try looking for a local club at the Starfleet International site (www.sfi.org)

Try the same thing for your other interests. Google them and see what you can come up with in your area. The last couple of times I've moved, I've used Google to find both swing dancing lessons and model railroad clubs in my area.
 
My life is just a mess.

I don't even know what to do with myself anymore. I'm tired of being alone and I've not the power or the fortune to have it changed.

On a whim a moment of foolishness a couple months back I joined a IRL dating service that's pretty much brought me nothing. 3 referrals so far none worked out.

I've no idea what to do. You'd think something would've happened fo rme on accident by now. I just took a visit to a local nightspot, paid the cover charge, hanged out listening to the music, looking at the hotties and well still don't have the courage or what it takes to approach them and obviously I was nothing to be impressed over as I got no attention either.

I think God hates me as is just playing a sick joke on me.

I once had the perfect girl who crushed on me, who loved me, and who pursued me and got together with her and I fucked it up.

Fuck me I'm going to die alone.

Go volunteer to do some charity work, sometimes there can be some really hot single women that do the same that you could meet and they're not bitches.

I can't believe I'm saying this but, I agree with Tachyon Shield on this one, Trekker4747. Also, being so maudlin is not all that attractive.
 
Posting about how sad your life is on the internet is hardly going to fix things is it? Nothing worthwhile will ever happen in your life unless you get yourself off the computer and make a real effort to get out there and meet people. And that means talking to them too. You'll find someone, they won't be perfect because no one is, but man what good is posting this crap on the web going to do.
 
Dude, you're going to hear nothing here that you haven't heard any other time you've said your life was horrible and you didn't know how to get a girlfriend.

Listen to the good doctor, Holdfast that is, and ask yourself why you want a relationship.

You say you want to change, but have you decided?

Until you decide, the decision is if.
When you decide, the decision is how.
 
Treker, you're doing many things wrong.

First, what Spot said earlier -- you're putting women on a pedestal.

Second, you intensely dislike yourself, your lot in life and your current direction, yet you refuse to do anything about it.

Finally, you're seeking to define yourself with a relationship, as though being in one will somehow fix all of your problems. It doesn't work that way. You can't be in a stable relationship with someone if your own head is a jumble of unresolved shit that you're just trying to ignore.

Get your own self straightened out, learn to like yourself, and maybe then you'll be in a position for other matters.

Pretty much spot on, and the advice he's received a half-dozen times. He doesn't appear to like himself, so why would a stranger like him? Project the image of someone who's not worth talking to, no one will talk to you.

And assuming that meeting a girl and dating her will fix anything is just dumb. And it'll set you up even worse when it doesn't work out. Sounds a lot like stories someone tells about an ex from 5-6 years back...
 
My life is just a mess.

I don't even know what to do with myself anymore. I'm tired of being alone and I've not the power or the fortune to have it changed.

On a whim a moment of foolishness a couple months back I joined a IRL dating service that's pretty much brought me nothing. 3 referrals so far none worked out.

I've no idea what to do. You'd think something would've happened fo rme on accident by now. I just took a visit to a local nightspot, paid the cover charge, hanged out listening to the music, looking at the hotties and well still don't have the courage or what it takes to approach them and obviously I was nothing to be impressed over as I got no attention either.

I think God hates me as is just playing a sick joke on me.

I once had the perfect girl who crushed on me, who loved me, and who pursued me and got together with her and I fucked it up.

Fuck me I'm going to die alone.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself, man up, get some fracking confidence and be more proactive than you've ever been. It's so rare that things fall in to your lap, you have to go out and make it happen.
 
Go do something that makes you feel mentally and physically better, like yoga or gym or something... that will give you the endorphins to attempt everything else. Take care of your insides before you start handling your outsides. Then maybe get a friend to go shopping with you so you can jazz up/modernise your wardrobe - could make the world of difference to your confidence. Maybe then you just might feel a little more at ease when you go to your local bars or whatever. A friend of mine did this for her colleague, and I must say he looked pretty good.

And smile, even when you are by yourself, sometimes the action comes before the feeling. You might find you feel much perkier.
 
What else can I add? There's been so much good advice on just page 3 alone (well, page 3 for me - so, from Spot's Meow, on, since that's all I've read). You've got the tools, you've got the talent. Now go make it Miller Time.
 
Don't blame yourself. Be by yourself for a while & develop some perspective. A few months/years from now, these same ball-jugglers making a hue & cry over how happy/compatible they are, will be split-up over some asinine drama you'll be glad you didn't get caught-up in.

Right now, You can eat, sleep, leave the house, cut back or increase your hours at work as holiday spending or recreation requires, do laundry or not as you please. You can flirt as the mood dictates and not feel like a shit-heel and on a permanent leash according to someone else's hormonal heights and frights.

You have no in-law's watching & listening to everything you've ever said or ever will, & you're not currently "guilty until proven innocent".
 
My life is just a mess.

I don't even know what to do with myself anymore. I'm tired of being alone and I've not the power or the fortune to have it changed.

On a whim a moment of foolishness a couple months back I joined a IRL dating service that's pretty much brought me nothing. 3 referrals so far none worked out.

I've no idea what to do. You'd think something would've happened fo rme on accident by now. I just took a visit to a local nightspot, paid the cover charge, hanged out listening to the music, looking at the hotties and well still don't have the courage or what it takes to approach them and obviously I was nothing to be impressed over as I got no attention either.

I think God hates me as is just playing a sick joke on me.

I once had the perfect girl who crushed on me, who loved me, and who pursued me and got together with her and I fucked it up.

Fuck me I'm going to die alone.


I'm proably the last guy who should try and cheer anyone up but just think! There was a reason that girl crushed on you and loved you. That means there is something good about you that can be seen by others. If she could see it so can another.

Jason
 
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