ethical??

[Cmdr Sho]

Sarina Douglas was a mutant until Dr Bashir cured her and fell in love with her almost driving her back the way she was.... ("Chrysalis")


even though she wasn't his patient any more is this even ethical in medical standards? it would not matter that he was is is her patient or not, the fact is that he DID treat her....


I think that this is totally unethical...
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Chrysalis_(episode)

 

[Timo]

It would only be unethical if 24th century medicine believed that having the doctor fall in love with the patient was harmful to the patient. This need not be true in the general case, even though it appeared to be in this specific case.

Certainly Bashir didn't anticipate a negative effect, so he probably saw nothing unethical in his approach at first.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Cmdr Sho]

that is true, but if you think about it, miles did see something unethical about it....

 

[Myasishchev]

Bashir often ignores medical ethics, at least so far as we understand them. We see that in Profit and Lace, and he's been lying since the day he was (re)born.

 

[Cmdr Sho]

then why doesn't starfleet medical take way his licence then if he clearly ignores "medical ethics" ???

 

[Timo]

Only "as we understand them", though. The 24th century characters might understand them differently. Certainly their views of 20th century morals are less than flattering in the general case...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Myasishchev]

then why doesn't starfleet medical take way his licence then if he clearly ignores "medical ethics" ???

Impending war and then war. Starfleet's stop-loss program overlooks collusion with genetically engineered traitors.

Only "as we understand them", though. The 24th century characters might understand them differently. Certainly their views of 20th century morals are less than flattering in the general case...

Definitely true. Profit and Lace demonstrates that procedures today considered life-changing and perhaps even psychologically marginal are considered no worse than a teeth-cleaning tomorrow. The future is awesome.

 

[-Brett-]

What do you expect him to do? Just about everyone on the station is his patient in some sense. The guy's not a Jedi.

 

[Myasishchev]

Not pursue mentally disabled chicks he's in the process of treating?

 

[Navaros]

No it's not ethical. Chrysalis is best watched by always turning it off right after the only good scene in it; Patrick screwing with Nog in the teaser. The entire rest of the episode is an unwatchable abomination on too many levels to count.

 

[Amaris]

I see nothing wrong with what Bashir does, in context.
I also like this episode.


J.

 

[Myasishchev]

No it's not ethical. Chrysalis is best watched by always turning it off right after the only good scene in it; Patrick screwing with Nog in the teaser. The entire rest of the episode is an unwatchable abomination on too many levels to count.

I liked the singing. Actually, all in all, I liked Chrysalis. I don't need Bashir to be ethical for him to be likeable.

 

[Cmdr Sho]

Well the fact still remains that he treated a patient that was in a so called "shell" until after he treated her, then he had attempted a relationship with her when she is in this "unstable state" almost driving her back the way she was...



THAT is what is unethical...

 

[plynch]

Well the fact still remains that he treated a patient that was in a so called "shell" until after he treated her, then he had attempted a relationship with her when she is in this "unstable state" almost driving her back the way she was...



THAT is what is unethical...

Cmdr Sho, you are so right, it's like you read my mind.

The unethical part (as we do ethics) is because the doctor/patient relationship is inherently unequal in power, even if the doctor is the nicest guy (or gal) ever. We generally feel today that it skews things so that a patient is not making decisions as she would in a normal relationship among peers. It's not as much a power imbalance as, say, boss/worker (boo!) or professor/student (boo!), but the doctor is still HEALER. In Bashir's case, he is dealing with a fragile young woman who's been catatonic for years!

He needs to gut it out and NOT go, "Welcome beck to reality. I am the person who saved you and I am in love with you. Love me too and stay here on a former Cardassian ore station forever." But of course he's human.

I actually like this whole angle of the ep, b/c I like ethical dilemmas. Doctors and therapists deal with this stuff.

Now the OTHER mutants, on the other hand - UGH!! Cartoon stereotypes.

Good thread, Sho.

 

[Myasishchev]

Disciplinary committees deal with such dilemmas as well.

 

[Cmdr Sho]

Disciplinary committees deal with such dilemmas as well.

that is true....

here is some food for thought... our "ethics" now would more than likely evolve for the better in the future then for the worse... as we know in the trek universe, man has better him (or her) self. they have gotten rid of all poverity etc. so i fail to realize that "ethics" would change in that sort of a way if man will/ had evolved in that sort of way.

in this episode. Miles plays a major roll in determining what is ethical or not about Dr. Bashir's actions and behavior in this situation...

 

[-Brett-]

Not pursue mentally disabled chicks he's in the process of treating?

I'd hope he wouldn't date a mentally disabled chick regardless. I was responding more to this part.

it would not matter that he was is is her patient or not, the fact is that he DID treat her....

If he can't go after anyone he ever DID treat, well that's pretty much everyone on the station.

 

[Myasishchev]

Not pursue mentally disabled chicks he's in the process of treating?

I'd hope he wouldn't date a mentally disabled chick regardless. I was responding more to this part.

Regardless? Interesting--at what point does someone become dumb enough to no longer deserve love?

If he can't go after anyone he ever DID treat, well that's pretty much everyone on the station.

It's the ongoing process of it, especially given that he's effectively her psychiatrist as well as her physician. That said, I don't think Bashir's necessarily a bad person because of this--but it is clear he's being a bad doctor.

 

[Michael]

The entire rest of the episode is an unwatchable abomination on too many levels to count.

Nonsense. It's one of my favorite episodes.

 

[Cmdr Sho]

If he can't go after anyone he ever DID treat, well that's pretty much everyone on the station.

that does make sense but he is treating her in a different way then the others on the station. it is just like what plynch said:

He needs to gut it out and NOT go, "Welcome beck to reality. I am the person who saved you and I am in love with you. Love me too and stay here on a former Cardassian ore station forever."

another big point is that miles questioned it....

plus there are more then one doctor on the station.....