In DS9 did Jean Luc Picard meet Benjamin Sisco

[Strider]

Sisko was able to forgive Picard and empathize with his loss.

Well, I disagree on the "forgive" bit. Way I see it Sisko realized there was nothing to forgive and he just realized that Picard was just as much the victim as he was. More of a "Yeah, I was a jerk and see we're more alike than I realized. Good luck with your life man."

Exactly. "Forgive" wasn't the right word. As you say, there was nothing to forgive Picard for.

 

[jamestyler]

Re: In DS9 did Jean Luc Picard meet Benjamin SISKO

"LOL, LMAO, FU MF, GTH"
"PS. Eat Shit and Die"

Heh, I imagined this sort of thing in Nemesis as soo as I saw Picard writing a text. "Goin 2 ram ship, lolz. tb.x"

Back to DS9... The whole sequence didn't endear me to Sisko, but it did help shape the idea that he wasn't the perfeft man that in TNG (almost) all Starfleet officers were. The irrationality and the hurt made him all the more real and helped distance his persona and his show away from Picards perfect world.

 

[Mysterion]

Why would it make you dislike Picard more?

Because the scenes with Picard in Emmissary just serve to reinforce what an effete, pompous and condescending twit he is and was in TNG.

Great, one of those "Picard wasn't a Kirk clone so he sucks" types...

Okay. Just re-read what I posted and it seem I said nothng of the sort. What I did say was that I disliked the Picard character becasue I find him to be effete, pompous and condescending. Said nothing about any sort of comparison with Kirk. I do, however, like the character of Jim Kirk. But, since you bring it up, you're right Picard is no Kirk. But then again, neither is Ben Sisko. But I like Ben Sisko, he's no Kirk clone.

If you disagree with me, I got no problems with that. However, I would appreicate you not trying to ascribe to me motive that isn't there, thank you so much.

And as to the comment up-thread that Sisko was being "irrational" in his dealings with Picard: no. He was just being emotional. I know, emotions can be irrational, but describing a person as "irrational" vs. describing them as "emotional" connote two very different situations. I think Sisko was being quite rational. In an emotional sort of way.

 

[Anwar]

Okay. Just re-read what I posted and it seem I said nothng of the sort. What I did say was that I disliked the Picard character becasue I find him to be effete, pompous and condescending. Said nothing about any sort of comparison with Kirk. I do, however, like the character of Jim Kirk. But, since you bring it up, you're right Picard is no Kirk. But then again, neither is Ben Sisko. But I like Ben Sisko, he's no Kirk clone.

It's alright, I always found Kirk to be more of a Jerkass Stu anyways. He was lucky to have McCoy and Spock around to keep him in check.

I found Picard to be my faves amongst Captains, so I found your random insulting..well, insulting. No hard feelings.

 

[katie9918]

Why did DS9 never get a borg story?

Because the DS9 production crew and writers actually liked their show?

Why would it make you dislike Picard more? He had no control of his actions while he was a Borg Drone. Sure its easy to see why Sisko would be upset but IMO his anger should have been with the Borg not with Picard.

We were experiencing something rare for a Star Trek series: a character who experiences an irrational emotion and just goes with it anyway. Characters from TNG too often experienced "appropriate" emotions, or had enough self-knowledge and ludicrously healthy coping skills that they were able to quickly diagnose their own psychological blind spots with ease (and a little help from the ship's counsellor).

Sisko was just being your typical complicated human being, so filled with rage and hopelessness that (justifiably or not) Picard was a perfectly natural target. Hating the Borg and anyone even vaguely associated with them was convenient because Sisko was completely unprepared to deal with his grief over losing his wife. Calmly explaining this perfectly logical fact wouldn't do any good, just like with real people.

Once his encounter with the Prophets forced Sisko to confront that grief, Sisko was later able to see the irrationality of his anger with Picard. IIRC, there was a coda between Picard and Sisko where Picard told Sisko "Good luck Commander", and Sisko replied "You too, sir". Something like that. The subtext of that scene is that both men saw in each other a shared loss because of the Borg. Sisko was able to forgive Picard and empathize with his loss.

The scene didn't endear me to Sisko, but it endeared me to DS9. I was growing pretty bored with TNG, where everybody got along and everything was good until something outside the ship showed up and caused problems and then the outside thing was dealt with and everyone got along and liked each other and they moved on to the next outside threat. It was boring.

I didn't exactly like seeing Picard spoken to like that, especially in light of the topic, but it seemed like a scene and a situation I could understand. I liked the combativeness of the early years and "Emissary" set the pace for it quite well.

 

[ZMistress]

Sisko always knew...

 

[Deckerd]

That's a great picture.

My fave is a video of one of the Uruk Hai (sp?) hiphop dancing during a break in filming of LOTR and a photo of Andreas Katsulas in full G'Kar regalia, holding a little baby in a B5 break. I had it for a while with the title "shock news, what Narn really eat".