Voyager: The Ending You Would Have Preferred
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Other: Not making it to the Alpha Quadrant and choosing to settle on a nice Delta Quadrant planet instead.
"Homecoming arc":
Episodes 169 & 170: The crew discovers a way home which doesn't inlclude time travel or the Borg. Voyager makes it to the Alpha Quadrant, but is badly damaged in the process and explodes. However, the crew manages to abandon ship before this happens. (Maybe there's a wormhole that leads to the Alpha Quadrant, but which is located within the territory of a hostile species. Janeway and her crew decide to take the chance and fight their way to that wormhole. However, the battle damage and the subsequent travel through the wormhole is the death knell for Voyager. Perhaps one of the main characters is also killed in these episodes in a heroic fashion. Maybe even Harry Kim... it would be ironic that the character who always wanted to go home most badly decides to sacrifice himself to ensure Voyager's return.)
Episodes 171 & 172: Deals with all the loose ends after the crew returns home. The Maquis crew members are pardoned by Starfleet. Janeway has to appear before a board of inquiry, but is eventually acquitted. The Doctor decides to become a hologram rights' advocate.Some characters leave Starfleet, others accept new assignments. They mourn their losses.
This, in a nutshell.
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Very odd...maybe i'm confusing this with another thread.
I'll repost then.
I'd have the USS Voyager return to earth around season five. The Federation crew would be okay, excepet for Janeway. After an initial investigation, it's discovered that Janeway bent a lot of rules, including giving away technology to the Hirogen. There is a brief trial, very subtle trial, but word gets out and there is massive outrage at Janeway being put on trial. The outrage is so great, the trial is dismissed with the promise that Janeway will adhere to starfleet principles and law. As a result, she does not get the promotion to fleet admiral. It's a tough pill for her to swallow, but is told she will be re-evaluated in one year.
The Maquis crew would not be so lucky. They are all put on trial for crimes against Starfleet and the Federation (not quite treason, but not good either.) Chakotay is the first. He is cited for reasons above, and as a result is barred from a promotion for the next 10 years of his Starfleet career should he choose to stay. He chooses to stay, and as a part of his punishment he is transferred off Voyager and given a small supply and science station to run. He is instructed to stay there for 5 of the 10 years, after which he will be re-evaluated. He was going to be demoted too, but the crew and Janeway all acted on his behalf, so his sentence is lighter.
Be'lanna is put on trial for the same reasons. Like Janeway's, it is a subtle trial. Like Janeway's, Chakotay and Be'lanna's trial is provoking outrage from all Federation worlds. Be'lanna gives testimony, Janeway comes to her defense as does the rest of the crew. She is barred from a promotion for 10 years as well, and was going to be transferred to an engineering research facility deep in Federation space. However, at Janeway's request she remained on Voyager, citing that no one knew her engines as well as Be'lanna, and that it would be unfair to Tom Paris and their child. The panel agreed.
The rest of the maquis crew are put on trial (by trial i mean investigation, no huge public law and order deals.). They are all cited to be guilty of crimes against the Federation, and the ones transferred off Voayger mostly choose to leave Starfleet rather than serve under anyone else. At Janeway's request once more, much of the maquis crew stay on Voyager, citing that she trusts no one more than the crew that has been her family for the last 7 years. She tried for Chakotay, but having finished starfleet with a command "degree" and going down that route, Starfleet felt that he needed to be made an example of, albeit a pretty gentle example. Seven chose to go with him and heads a team of scientists and engineers in experimental research on the station.
As a result of the crew transferrs and changes, Tuvok is promoted to Commander and first officer of Voyager. Taking over Tuvok's role is the now Lt. Kim. Taking over Kim's role is acting ensign Echeb, who in lieu of enrolling in Starfleet has chosen on ship experience first. Paris remains at the helm of Voyager, though now is Lt. Commander. The Doctor remains in the same role, though over a period of a few months, Lt. Commander Data builds him an android body to alleviate his limitations. Unlike Lal, he works with the best Starfleet engineers and this positronic brain does not shut down. He recieves a medical staff, and Neelix gains a cooking staff and the mess hall is enlargened to include a bigger more competent kitchen. A massive food growing bay is installed on deck nine. In addition to a medical staff, a Vulcan counselor is added to the ship. In addition, a science officer is added to the main bridge crew: the now Lt. Wildeman. Her daughter chooses to remain on board and continue her studies.
As for the ship itself, it is massively upgraded. It's given a heavier warp core, boosting power output and weapons capability. It is now as powerful as an upgraded Galaxy class. The second warp core is also activated for boosted power. Hull armor is applied to the outer hull, and a FULL compliment of photon and quantum torpedo's are added. 75 photons and 75 quantums. One launcher will fire photon, the other quantum. The crew is increased to 200 instead of 150 to provide extra personell for the new upgraded systems. Provisions for families is also added, not many as it's not a HUGE ship, but they are there.
Working from the Slipstream drive knowlege that Voyager sent to the Federation, they've installed a new hybrid drive system that uses the focusing abilities of slipstream (it focuses warp fields VIA the deflector dish causing that wormhole like subspace tunnelling effect) to focus the existing warp nacelles warp fields. This boosts maximum speed to warp 9.9977, or about 15,500 times the speed of light, a max cruising speed of warp 9.9976, or about 15,100 times the speed of light, and a normal cruising speed of warp 9.997, or about 13,400 times the speed of light. This causes a renumbering of the warp scale system, making cruising speed warp 11, and the max cruise speed of warp 14.
As a result of it's extensive refit and vastly increased abilities, it is sent on a DEEP DEEP space assignment to explore uncharted areas of the beta and gamma quadrants. A happy turn of events, Chakotay's space depot is it's home base, which made his station make sense considering not many ships are that deep, so a supply depot seemed odd. Starfleet felt bad about the trials, although they had to be done according to Federation law, and tried to make the sentences as painless as possible. The depot is located just past the border of federation space in the Beta quadrant, making it the perfect home base for the USS Voyager. Voyager now explores the beta and gamma quadrants, and is usually out of touch with starfleet because of their long range.
I believe if they had done things this way, changed the show a bit, it could've gone on like Stargate and still be interesting.
I'll repost then.
I'd have the USS Voyager return to earth around season five. The Federation crew would be okay, excepet for Janeway. After an initial investigation, it's discovered that Janeway bent a lot of rules, including giving away technology to the Hirogen. There is a brief trial, very subtle trial, but word gets out and there is massive outrage at Janeway being put on trial. The outrage is so great, the trial is dismissed with the promise that Janeway will adhere to starfleet principles and law. As a result, she does not get the promotion to fleet admiral. It's a tough pill for her to swallow, but is told she will be re-evaluated in one year.
The Maquis crew would not be so lucky. They are all put on trial for crimes against Starfleet and the Federation (not quite treason, but not good either.) Chakotay is the first. He is cited for reasons above, and as a result is barred from a promotion for the next 10 years of his Starfleet career should he choose to stay. He chooses to stay, and as a part of his punishment he is transferred off Voyager and given a small supply and science station to run. He is instructed to stay there for 5 of the 10 years, after which he will be re-evaluated. He was going to be demoted too, but the crew and Janeway all acted on his behalf, so his sentence is lighter.
Be'lanna is put on trial for the same reasons. Like Janeway's, it is a subtle trial. Like Janeway's, Chakotay and Be'lanna's trial is provoking outrage from all Federation worlds. Be'lanna gives testimony, Janeway comes to her defense as does the rest of the crew. She is barred from a promotion for 10 years as well, and was going to be transferred to an engineering research facility deep in Federation space. However, at Janeway's request she remained on Voyager, citing that no one knew her engines as well as Be'lanna, and that it would be unfair to Tom Paris and their child. The panel agreed.
The rest of the maquis crew are put on trial (by trial i mean investigation, no huge public law and order deals.). They are all cited to be guilty of crimes against the Federation, and the ones transferred off Voayger mostly choose to leave Starfleet rather than serve under anyone else. At Janeway's request once more, much of the maquis crew stay on Voyager, citing that she trusts no one more than the crew that has been her family for the last 7 years. She tried for Chakotay, but having finished starfleet with a command "degree" and going down that route, Starfleet felt that he needed to be made an example of, albeit a pretty gentle example. Seven chose to go with him and heads a team of scientists and engineers in experimental research on the station.
As a result of the crew transferrs and changes, Tuvok is promoted to Commander and first officer of Voyager. Taking over Tuvok's role is the now Lt. Kim. Taking over Kim's role is acting ensign Echeb, who in lieu of enrolling in Starfleet has chosen on ship experience first. Paris remains at the helm of Voyager, though now is Lt. Commander. The Doctor remains in the same role, though over a period of a few months, Lt. Commander Data builds him an android body to alleviate his limitations. Unlike Lal, he works with the best Starfleet engineers and this positronic brain does not shut down. He recieves a medical staff, and Neelix gains a cooking staff and the mess hall is enlargened to include a bigger more competent kitchen. A massive food growing bay is installed on deck nine. In addition to a medical staff, a Vulcan counselor is added to the ship. In addition, a science officer is added to the main bridge crew: the now Lt. Wildeman. Her daughter chooses to remain on board and continue her studies.
As for the ship itself, it is massively upgraded. It's given a heavier warp core, boosting power output and weapons capability. It is now as powerful as an upgraded Galaxy class. The second warp core is also activated for boosted power. Hull armor is applied to the outer hull, and a FULL compliment of photon and quantum torpedo's are added. 75 photons and 75 quantums. One launcher will fire photon, the other quantum. The crew is increased to 200 instead of 150 to provide extra personell for the new upgraded systems. Provisions for families is also added, not many as it's not a HUGE ship, but they are there.
Working from the Slipstream drive knowlege that Voyager sent to the Federation, they've installed a new hybrid drive system that uses the focusing abilities of slipstream (it focuses warp fields VIA the deflector dish causing that wormhole like subspace tunnelling effect) to focus the existing warp nacelles warp fields. This boosts maximum speed to warp 9.9977, or about 15,500 times the speed of light, a max cruising speed of warp 9.9976, or about 15,100 times the speed of light, and a normal cruising speed of warp 9.997, or about 13,400 times the speed of light. This causes a renumbering of the warp scale system, making cruising speed warp 11, and the max cruise speed of warp 14.
As a result of it's extensive refit and vastly increased abilities, it is sent on a DEEP DEEP space assignment to explore uncharted areas of the beta and gamma quadrants. A happy turn of events, Chakotay's space depot is it's home base, which made his station make sense considering not many ships are that deep, so a supply depot seemed odd. Starfleet felt bad about the trials, although they had to be done according to Federation law, and tried to make the sentences as painless as possible. The depot is located just past the border of federation space in the Beta quadrant, making it the perfect home base for the USS Voyager. Voyager now explores the beta and gamma quadrants, and is usually out of touch with starfleet because of their long range.
I believe if they had done things this way, changed the show a bit, it could've gone on like Stargate and still be interesting.
And then the holodeck simulation finishes and some admiral teacher says "Actually, yes it was."
Absolutely not. I'm not trying to be rude, but you can't destroy the ship and crew! It's not that type of show, it's not BSG. It never was and would be completely inapropriate. I'm not saying it can't be tragic, or sad, I'd like to see more variety. But that goes too far.
I was thinking that of course the Galactica is going to make it, sure the Scorpio didn't, neither did the the Liberator, both Kirk and Picard's Enterprises got fragged (Archer was too cool for school!) eventually and Defiant got it's ass handed to it at the close of the Dominon war... Voyager got whacked a couple times during the show. When it crashed into the ice planet, deadlock when kathy blew it up, Year of Hell when Kathy blew it up crashing into Red Foreman's ass. Braxtons "time" timebomb, when Kes PMSsed, no sorry, little girl no more, "hotflashed" the ship to death, probably more... I suppose seeing Voyager getting skragged over and over again does withdraw a little dramatic effect that if it were to finally be whacked so good it's not coming back in the final lines of the story...
Oh yes, well it seems that galactica will bow out in the final battle, but Bill will kick the (*&* out fo some Cylons, take their base ship and rechristen that enemy mine "the Battlestar Galactica II"... The new Defiant should have been a different class of vessel, not that they had the money to redress the set by that late point in the game. It was like your wife died so you start dating her twin sister. Not really moving on at all is it?
Oh yes, well it seems that galactica will bow out in the final battle, but Bill will kick the (*&* out fo some Cylons, take their base ship and rechristen that enemy mine "the Battlestar Galactica II"... The new Defiant should have been a different class of vessel, not that they had the money to redress the set by that late point in the game. It was like your wife died so you start dating her twin sister. Not really moving on at all is it?
Lynx: I personally, would go for your first alternate ending. There wouldn't be any Borg in my story either. I think that the Caretaker's mate would come back and wreck a little havac on Voyager before they got back to the AQ. And there wouldn't be any C/7 in my book either. Then they would come back to Earth, finding everyone with disease or Earth in ruins like it was in Battlestar Galactica. Maybe the saga would continue in a Voyager movie later on?? 
I wish!
I wish!
Just as after Crusade and their Drahk Plague hobbled umanity, I heard that JMS was fuming insanely that Voyagers Last episode was going to be about the Earth getting infected with a Borg Plague.
Turned out to be bullshit, but still it's quite funny.
Turned out to be bullshit, but still it's quite funny.
JMS?
J. Michael Stravinsky. Famous Murder She Wrote staff writer.
Kent apart from being very anti Trek, your ending has some problems.
The first one being that you can’t charge Chakotay with treason or anything like treason. He wasn’t a citizen of the Federation and he resigned his commission before he joined the Maquis. The case might have been made for B’Elanna but I would believe she has dual citizenship, possibly causing problems charging her with anything.
As for charging Kathryn Janeway with any crimes well then I guess she would have to get in line behind Kirk, Picard and Sisko.
Kirk – well he was actually charged with nine violations of Starfleet Regulations, got demoted too. He played fast and loose with the prime directive on multiple occasions. He stole a starship to save a personal friend and traveled to a restricted area to do so. “The Search for Spock” (This is one of the major charges against the older Admiral Janeway in “Endgame.”)
Picard – Admiral Satie stated in the late fourth season episode “Drumhead”, that he had committed nine prime directive violations since he took over the Enterprise.
Sisko – Had at least three insubordination offenses one of which left Deep Space Nine and Bajor very vulnerable to a Dominion attack to save a personal friend’s life. “The Die Is Cast” season 3. He also falsified information to the Romulans trading in a restricted substance (biomimetic gel – a Federation offence) to obtain a Cardassian optolythic data rod necessary to make a convincing forgery to engage the Romulans against the Dominion – “In the Pale Moonlight” season 6.
Finally your premise is not a climax but rather an anticlimax and would have angered many fans and undermined the message of hope that Star Trek seeks to convey.
Brit
The first one being that you can’t charge Chakotay with treason or anything like treason. He wasn’t a citizen of the Federation and he resigned his commission before he joined the Maquis. The case might have been made for B’Elanna but I would believe she has dual citizenship, possibly causing problems charging her with anything.
As for charging Kathryn Janeway with any crimes well then I guess she would have to get in line behind Kirk, Picard and Sisko.
Kirk – well he was actually charged with nine violations of Starfleet Regulations, got demoted too. He played fast and loose with the prime directive on multiple occasions. He stole a starship to save a personal friend and traveled to a restricted area to do so. “The Search for Spock” (This is one of the major charges against the older Admiral Janeway in “Endgame.”)
Picard – Admiral Satie stated in the late fourth season episode “Drumhead”, that he had committed nine prime directive violations since he took over the Enterprise.
Sisko – Had at least three insubordination offenses one of which left Deep Space Nine and Bajor very vulnerable to a Dominion attack to save a personal friend’s life. “The Die Is Cast” season 3. He also falsified information to the Romulans trading in a restricted substance (biomimetic gel – a Federation offence) to obtain a Cardassian optolythic data rod necessary to make a convincing forgery to engage the Romulans against the Dominion – “In the Pale Moonlight” season 6.
Finally your premise is not a climax but rather an anticlimax and would have angered many fans and undermined the message of hope that Star Trek seeks to convey.
Brit
The Federation did not recognize the Maquis right to disenfranchise or distance themselves from the Federations protection.
Treason is right on the money.
US Citizen verbally claims to have disavowed his Citizenship so that when he blows up a US army base, he cannot be charged by the US legal system.
Same difference.
If the Maquis had headed off for deep space, that's one thing, but they stayed in known space and got right in the cut between federation and cardassian foreign policy opneing fire on both sides.
They are Federation Citizens until the Federation says otherwise whether they like it or not
Treason is right on the money.
US Citizen verbally claims to have disavowed his Citizenship so that when he blows up a US army base, he cannot be charged by the US legal system.
Same difference.
If the Maquis had headed off for deep space, that's one thing, but they stayed in known space and got right in the cut between federation and cardassian foreign policy opneing fire on both sides.
They are Federation Citizens until the Federation says otherwise whether they like it or not
You cannot even begin to equate the crimes that Admiral Janeway committed with the ones Admiral Kirk committed. Not even the same universe.
On topic - The end should have had Voyager in a pitched battle protecting some humanoid colony. Things aren't looking so good and then you fade to black. You then leave open endless possibilities and the audience wanting more.
See how the double standard comes out when you show just how alike all the captains were. If you cannot see the similarities you cannot judge the differences.
Let’s see the older Admiral Janeway, went back in time to save two friend’s lives (apparently with the tacit approval of the Temporal Integrity Commission – as no one was there to stop her) she pretty much destroys the Borg in the process (and yes I do believe the Trek Novels have that all wrong).
Kirk on the other hand stole a Starship, disabled another, and went into a restricted area to save two friend’s lives. He also did not have anyone’s tacit approval and in fact risked starting a war with the Klingons. Kirk incidentally was exonerated.
Just how is this different? The only thing I can see is Kathryn Janeway is one captain and James T Kirk is the other. Just how is this not a double standard?
Brit
Let’s see the older Admiral Janeway, went back in time to save two friend’s lives (apparently with the tacit approval of the Temporal Integrity Commission – as no one was there to stop her) she pretty much destroys the Borg in the process (and yes I do believe the Trek Novels have that all wrong).
Kirk on the other hand stole a Starship, disabled another, and went into a restricted area to save two friend’s lives. He also did not have anyone’s tacit approval and in fact risked starting a war with the Klingons. Kirk incidentally was exonerated.
Just how is this different? The only thing I can see is Kathryn Janeway is one captain and James T Kirk is the other. Just how is this not a double standard?
Brit
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Um, the difference is that old Admiral Kathy didn't save two friends. She created a new alternate parallel timeline with distinct reinterpretation of her friends while her friends still stayed damned and dead back in her own distant soil.
Or...
She unwound 26 years of good time into nothing for the entire universe, for the sake of 2 people and gave the Borg a head step to devise counter measures to the Future Tech which kept the Federation and the Borg in a stalemate in the future... If the entire Federation couldn't destroy the Borg in the future, what makes you think that one old biddy could in the past because she caught the Borg flu?
Besides the writers of STIV were writing from the perspective of predetermination and fixed time, since Kirk did return before he due to Spock misplacing a decimal point. meanwhile we're not sure if the writers of endgame were dealing with mulligans demolishing and rebuilding time or branch theory that her shennigans are bunted off into an isolated pocket leaving her home free and clear...
I really don't know why everyone was so calm about kathryn murdering them, and what Miral testing the device might hav already done to the timeline?
Or...
She unwound 26 years of good time into nothing for the entire universe, for the sake of 2 people and gave the Borg a head step to devise counter measures to the Future Tech which kept the Federation and the Borg in a stalemate in the future... If the entire Federation couldn't destroy the Borg in the future, what makes you think that one old biddy could in the past because she caught the Borg flu?
Besides the writers of STIV were writing from the perspective of predetermination and fixed time, since Kirk did return before he due to Spock misplacing a decimal point. meanwhile we're not sure if the writers of endgame were dealing with mulligans demolishing and rebuilding time or branch theory that her shennigans are bunted off into an isolated pocket leaving her home free and clear...
I really don't know why everyone was so calm about kathryn murdering them, and what Miral testing the device might hav already done to the timeline?
Guy sums it up pretty well here. Or if you still can't wrap your head around it... think of the devastation Jim Kirk would've wrought by saving Edith Keeler in City on the Edge of Forever.
