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Dollhouse 1x02 "Target" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS>

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Above Average - Much better than last week. This is really how the show should have started... the small flashbacks were useful in setting up some background info, and characters.

I could have done with something more subtle indicator that she wasn't completely wiped at the end, though.

The show has earned a few more viewings, in *spite* of the next weeks preview, which makes me want to gag. That is exactly the kind of show I don't want to watch. But enough interesting hints (a counter doll-house?) were dropped in this episode to make me soldier on - for now.
 
Mwoah... a bit better than last week I guess, but still pretty standard action fare mostly. The twist in the middle was nice, I didn't see that one coming. Biggest problem I still have is that the characters do not really engage me. I don't feel any kind of chemistry between Echo and her handler, although this episode really was riding on that. And the other characters... I don't know what to think about them, which is probably the problem: there's not much to think about.

I don't think most people awho watch this series are going to go for it - it's too complicated and the characters aren't accessible enough.

I agree on the characters, but "too complicated"? People were saying that last week as well. Am I missing something in the episodes? This week it bascially was Dushku and some guy running around, climbing mountains, and shooting each other. How's that too complicated? I understand how the premisse could lead to some interesting exploration of memory, identity, and all that, but up till now I haven't seen much of that in the show.

I will not give up on the show yet. I'll give it a couple of episodes, although I'm wondering if many people will.
 
That was much more like it! If we get more episodes like this, then there's hope for "Dollhouse" yet!
 
So how long until some rich geek asks for an Active who thinks she's a vampire slayer?
 
Well, the human-hunt plot is a tired old cliche, but I somehow managed to enjoy the episode despite it.

I loved Handler-Guy's turnabout on his attacker in the van.

The Alpha thread is definitely interesting.

I still can't understand how every rich playboy and/or psycho knows about Dollhouse, but the frickin' FBI can't find it.
 
I thought it was great! Fun, engaging and surprising. I do think it would be much better with Wash instead of the annoying Topher guy. I do have some concerns that by the end of the season it would get repetitive, like Alias.

Also putting it next to Sarah Connor just makes the terminator show look very weak and uneventful. Which in turn may drive away some of Dollhouse's audience.
 
It was okay. Not great, not bad. My feelings for Dollhouse thusfar remind me of how I felt watching Fringe when it premiered. I want to like it. And the show isn't bad. But it doesn't excite me as a viewer. I'm not getting pulled into the story. I'm not relating to the characters. Joss has surrounded himself with his favorite writers on this show - people he's worked with before who wrote some great episodes of Buffy and Angel. You'd think this show would have his signature on it, but it really doesn't even feel like Joss's work.
 
Above average. I think we're seeing the early stages of the overarching plot.
Now what I want to know is how would Dollhouse, as a company, advertise its services? Do they place an ad somewhere, à la A-Team?
 
Missed Pilot episode, but watched last night's episode after a friend recommended. Was not a buffy or angel fan but I did like Firefly..

Thought Dollhouse was interesting and pretty good.


Have an important question though... On Dish-Network info it stated last night's episode as #4... Is Fox screwing with the order of this show like Firefly?? I'm just wondering if there seemed to be a strange gap between the pilot and this episode... or if the shows are stand alone enough for Fox to get away with it this time... or if Dish-Network just fucked up.
 
As I understand it there were *three* pilots produced. One we saw, one that will probably air later, and one that will never be officially shown since it takes a somewhat incompatible approach to the story. So it's possible this was #4 in production order.
 
This episode was so much better than the pilot. In fact, it's a better pilot than the pilot was. This episode had a much more interesting story, more action, and more exposition that introduces the rules of the universe, and it also introduces a recurring Big Bad. Also it introduces Echo remembering previous lives. I definitely would put this first. // Based on this episode, I would figure that around Ep8 Echo will regain all her memories and go rogue from the Dollhouse with Harry Lennix and the other loyal Actives will be sent after her. And then Alpha will be in the mix hunting her because he's in love with her and obsessed with her.
 
I was thinking the exact same thing as Mr Light. We saw a much better introduction of the premise of the show last night (or, in my case, ten minutes ago on my DVR) than we did in the pilot, and we got a hell of a lot more things to give a damn about. I think in terms of development there may be fertile ground in the area between Echo and her relationship with her handler; they did a good job this episode of anchoring a character without character to a character with a character in a way that heavily implied Echo does have a character without imprints, and that that's the direction we're going.

Beyond that, the chase between what's-his-face and Echo at least presented a lot more jeopardy than the hostage situation last week, and it was something we could personally invest in because the danger was directly to Echo, and by the conclusion of the episode, it was even more directly to Echo.

And I don't think we got any information in the pilot that didn't come out in this episode in as accessible a manner; in fact, all of the references to the nature of Actives in this episode felt a lot more understandable and explicit than what we saw in the pilot. We got explicit scorn from a handful of guys, Boyd's (that's his name, right?) skepticism, the Wash-wannabe's exposition (which was a hell of lot less ham-handed and just as informative as last week), and so on.

I'm still not impressed, but if the pilot had been this good, I would have been a lot less disappointed. The problems with the pilot really emphasized the problem with the premise of the show: everything is so self-contained that it's hard to care about anything. This episode showed that the premise of the show really isn't one of recreated identities with no continuity, but one where that's a goal that just isn't achieved. It's a lot easier to see how you can tell a lot of stories from this episode than from the pilot. I think FOX probably made a mistake again with their pilot decision, assuming the original pilot was anything like this episode.
 
Thinking back on last night's episode and the pilot ... neither had re-watch value. I can go the rest of my life without watching those episodes every again, which is a damn shame.


A FOX head person said in an interview they'd give "Dollhouse" 12 to 13 weeks (as I recall) to find an audience, or otherwise ... bye-bye new Joss show. IF the shows continues the way it is now, I doubt it will make to a second month end.
 
A FOX head person said in an interview they'd give "Dollhouse" 12 to 13 weeks (as I recall) to find an audience, or otherwise ... bye-bye new Joss show. IF the shows continues the way it is now, I doubt it will make to a second month end.

I would like to take a 2X4 to Fox head persons' heads.
 
Better than last week, which is saying very little.

Whedon's shows usually make fun of their potential flaws in a charming way, which often turns those flaws into strengths. Lawyers call that "taking the sting out."

This show has plenty to make fun of, and it doesn't make fun of itself, which leaves me wondering if they are just hoping that no one notices the mess. Let's just say I keep getting stung.

The black dude is the only one who can act, and his character is the only one I care anything about. And barely.

The premise and reasons for the existence of the Dollhouse leave me baffled, and not because it's too complicated. It's not complicated enough. They don't seem to have really thought it all through.

Both times somebody has ordered the services of Echo, I couldn't for the life of me figure out why the customer wouldn't just get what they needed in a number of cheaper, easier, more logical ways. And that was before Echo went out on the missions. After the mission, I saw even less reasons why one would ever employ her. (Or those like her.)

"Do you have a problem? Do you want to solve that problem in an extremely expensive and highly ridiculous way? Do you want someone to make your situation even worse? And after we bungle your issue and take your money, can we count on you to keep the whole thing a secret? If so, Dollhouse is the agency for you. And please don't ask about our internal problems. Every once in a while, a doll goes haywire and kills everyone and we have to start all over again. The liability's a bitch. That's part of why we have to charge you so much."

We have no reason to bond with Echo's character because there is nothing to bond with. She's a blank piece of paper. By the time she starts to "wake up" and give us something to bond with, the show will already be cancelled.

Plugging an actress into a totally different character each week might work if it was done to showcase the abilities of an amazing actress. Eliza is hot, but she can't act. I watched all of "Tru Calling" because she is pretty. I don't think I can do it again.

And watching Helo and Romo looking like the worst actors ever just reminds me once again that there is a magic to really good shows (BSG, Six Feet Under, etc.) that makes everyone involved look like fantastic actors, even when they're not.

Have you ever heard a little kid tell you about a superhero that they made up? There is usually a cute concept at the core, but it all falls apart when you try to think it through or apply internal consistency to the idea. Of course, we don't tell the little kid that because we want to encourage him to be creative.

I love you, Joss Whedon. But this show is terrible.
 
A little bit better then last week, but still not nearly up to my expectations of a Whedon show.

Personally I've tried to avoid imposing any expectations on the show. I've known for a while now that this was going to be a slightly different animal than Joss' previous efforts.

That doesn't excuse mediocrity, but I'm trying to judge what's presented without preconceptions.
I know I should be doing that also, but I can't help myself and I love his other 3 shows.
 
Much better than the first episode. The reason the FBI can't find it is because they don't advertise. It's totally word of mouth. You get referred to it by others. Makes sense to me.
 
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