^^^ My point exactly.
It's really a huge ship. People just lose that with the gargantuans of TNG and beyond.
It's really a huge ship. People just lose that with the gargantuans of TNG and beyond.
Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?
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We haven't seen the interior of the hanger deck. What are you talking about?
He's probably mistaken the hangar we have seen in the trailer for the hangar of the Enterprise.
well, in that case can i vote again?
well, in that case can i vote again?
Go ahead; I vote early and often.
you mind reader you! that was gonna be my next post!well, in that case can i vote again?Good - if you want to keep score then it's only running about six-to-one against you.
Go ahead; I vote early and often.
Probably a little bigger if the scales seen in the original teaser trailer from CLOVERFIELD are any indication. But who knows. The "new" Enterprise could be roughly the same length and mass as the old TOS ship or the movie refit and the teaser footage was made solely to pique audience interest and anticipation without being slavish to scale and accuracy.
A larger ship doesn't bother me, the new ship at least for me will take a while to get used too much like the enterprise D did. She could have been better but she could have been worse in any case i really hope this film is as good as many people say it is. For now its the only star trek we have.
My educated guess is that the new ship will be about the same size, with the much fatter nacelles making her SEEM to be a lot bigger.
Curses. And here I had tried to avoid stating opinion as fact. Time to break out my original choice of response:
You can keep saying that, but it won't make you right.
Curses. And here I had tried to avoid stating opinion as fact.
You're just being baited.
Not really, no. It's DIFFERENT, but in no way "better."I think that looks pretty good.
This is a parody of the Enterprise...
http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/Steam Trek.jpg
Anyone else have pics of good parody examples?
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I honestly can't see why people don't think the enw ship is better...wow, sleek.
It is an improvement in many ways, isn't it?
It's not stylistically "better." It's just stylistically different.
It's not structurally "better." In fact, from a purely mechanical standpoint, it's worse in a number of ways, with only one major improvement... the neck.
It's higher-resolution. But that's a matter of implementation, not of design. So it's no "better" in that regard, too.
As another ship design, patterned on the classic ship... I think I'd like it. As an "alternate universe" ship, I can live with this too (I never really got why the mirror-universe would have had an identical design anyway...)
It's not a "bad" design. But it's not the SAME design, and on a point-by-point comparison... feature by feature, element by element... I really do think that the "new" design comes out the loser in any reasonable comparison.
"Change" isn't always a good thing. Only "change for the better" is necessarily good. Many of the changes in this design aren't improvements... they're just changes.
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It was never really established how big the TOS Enterprise really is, except that it is BIG.
Frankly the scale and size of the ship is irrelevant, as long as the ship is believable on the big screen, much like the refit in TMP was.
Certainly seeing shots of the Enterprise being built on the ground makes the possibility of building such a ship a more realistic and viceral concept. Imo, of course.
Frankly the scale and size of the ship is irrelevant, as long as the ship is believable on the big screen, much like the refit in TMP was.
Certainly seeing shots of the Enterprise being built on the ground makes the possibility of building such a ship a more realistic and viceral concept. Imo, of course.
Every change I see on this ship is an improvement.
I just proved you wrong. And right.
Curses. And here I had tried to avoid stating opinion as fact. Time to break out my original choice of response:
You can keep saying that, but it won't make you right.
It will to those of us who agree with him. YMMV.
That's really my biggest gripe with the design, too. I like the new design overall, I really do, but I think the nacelles attach too far forward on the struts. It just doesn't look very stable, especially with the larger and buffed-up nacelles.
That's a tautology.
Aside from that, it misses the point. Whether this is "change for the better" is an aesthetic judgment - not one of logic or engineering - and is entirely subjective.
Actually, you're right about it being a tautology... which was really the point. There are people who seem to think that change, inherently, means "gets better" but that's the logical fallacy I was pointing out. It's not like this SHOULDN'T be obvious, but it seems it's NOT obvious to some folks.
That's a tautology.
Aside from that, it misses the point. Whether this is "change for the better" is an aesthetic judgment - not one of logic or engineering - and is entirely subjective.
And your second point... about it being entirely subjective... is what I was saying, too, isn't it?
