Oh, brother. "Why are you talking to me, man?" indeed.
That's not James T. Kirk, it's James "Teen" Kirk.
Yes, because that's clearly a line only a teen would say...
You know many adults who talk like that?
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You know many adults who talk like that?
Oh, brother. "Why are you talking to me, man?" indeed.
That's not James T. Kirk, it's James "Teen" Kirk.
Yes, because that's clearly a line only a teen would say...
You know many adults who talk like that?
The one's who are drunk, beat up and being lectured by some old dude
with an amazing speech voice.
Yes, because that's clearly a line only a teen would say...
You know many adults who talk like that?
The one's who are drunk, beat up and being lectured by some old dude
with an amazing speech voice.
Kirk is not supposed to talk like that. This new timeline must be very different indeed if Kirk's acting like a Bowery bum.
The one's who are drunk, beat up and being lectured by some old dude
with an amazing speech voice.
Kirk is not supposed to talk like that. This new timeline must be very different indeed if Kirk's acting like a Bowery bum.
Kirk is drunk, beat up and being lectured by an old guy.
How else is he supposed to talk? And since when is it known how
he talks or acts before going to Academy?
Oh, brother. "Why are you talking to me, man?" indeed.
That's not James T. Kirk, it's James "Teen" Kirk.
Yes, because that's clearly a line only a teen would say...
You know many adults who talk like that?
So you are trying to tell me a simple line like..."Why are you talking to me man" is so exceptional, unusual and unheard of ?
Only the priviledge of silly teens ?
For the love of god....
As for adults, I know all sorts of adults.
I know smart, I know idiots, I know educated, I know uneducated, I know kids more mature than many adults, I know adults more immature than many kids... Take your pick
What was that line I saw somewhere in the forum "Chris Pine says 'man' and the Asperger's Brigade have an existential crisis."
The one's who are drunk, beat up and being lectured by some old dude
with an amazing speech voice.
Kirk is not supposed to talk like that. This new timeline must be very different indeed if Kirk's acting like a Bowery bum.
Where have you seen Kirk before at a time before he was even a cadet, so that you know how he speaks ?
I don't speak the way i spoke when I was ten, I don't speak the way i did when I was 18. Do you ?
How do you speak when your ass has been kicked and someone is lecturing you ?
^ Hard to imagine somebody who spouts lines like that could ever become a "stack of books with legs" at the Academy. Although maybe it's a testament to the ultimate effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous in Trek's time. 
Eh, doubt he was an Alcoholic or needed rehabing.
Just needed a fresh perspective and Pike was giving him that.
Kind of cool to see them use Pike in that role.
Especialy played by Greenwood.
Just needed a fresh perspective and Pike was giving him that.
Kind of cool to see them use Pike in that role.
Especialy played by Greenwood.
^ Hard to imagine somebody who spouts lines like that could ever become a "stack of books with legs" at the Academy. Although maybe it's a testament to the ultimate effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous in Trek's time.
Well, there are lots of real life examples where exceptional, charismatic and motivated people can overcome difficulties, put the ugly past behind and devote their attention to the future and achieving their goals.
And I again I fail to see anything so weird and outstanding about that line. Not coming from Kirk or from anyone..(except maybe a Vulcan
)I mean are we seriously arguing about "Why are you talking to me man ?"
WTF ?
For Kirk, yes.
It'd be like a TNG reboot where we hear Picard talking like Lauren Cooper.
Which would actually be pretty funny, when you think about it.
I mean are we seriously arguing about "Why are you talking to me man ?"
WTF ?
Come on! Don't you get it? That bar scene between Kirk and Pike is a perfect opportunity to spend 15-20 minutes name-dropping characters that get referenced to on the TV shows and other movies!
Good.
If the best that this group of writers and actors can do with Star Trek is to continue having the characters talk and behave in the stilted and stagey manner that they have in the past then Paramount could have saved themselves a lot of lost money and wasted effort by leaving "Star Trek" to the novels and comics. Permanently.
There's just no future, commercially, in a return to (at least) the last thirty years of this franchise.
Watch enough American dramatic television from the 1960s and you'll find that the human characters on TOS spoke about as colloquially as most such characters at the time.
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Given the context and where Kirk is in his life during that scene, the line works perfectly well. As for being a stack of books with legs - Kirk is described by Pike as having a genius-level IQ, and Kirk tells him before he leaves for Starfleet that he'll graduate in three years instead of four. Sounds pretty smart to me.
"Acting like a Bowery bum"?
The one's who are drunk, beat up and being lectured by some old dude
with an amazing speech voice.
Kirk is not supposed to talk like that. This new timeline must be very different indeed if Kirk's acting like a Bowery bum.
What decades-old place did you swipe that line from?
According to whom? The old and stale version of Kirk that hit the screen 40 odd years ago? Times change, and I'm actually quite thankful we aren't making a return to that era as it was quite cringe-worthy more often than not. Besides - that's a young Kirk not a Captain Kirk. Seeing as we all are different in our youth compared to when we grow up, it just lends more credence to the character.
The one's who are drunk, beat up and being lectured by some old dude
with an amazing speech voice.
Kirk is not supposed to talk like that.
It's a killer line. You're just a negative nancy.
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Again, counter to Roddenberry's Kirk, who in GR's own novelization of TMP, notes he was in the first bunch selected to be captain on the basis of less than fantastic intellectual agility.
Kirk always struck me as more shrewd than brilliant; not a cut, just an observation.
You do know film novelazations aren't cannon right.
OH GOD I CAN NOT BELIEVE I JUST SAID THAT SOMEONE SHOOT ME NOW! I JUST USED THE C WORD!
Actually, you get by on a technicality. You didn't use the "c" word. You wrote "cannon." So, if you still want to be shot, maybe you could point that cannon at yourself.
Kirk was intuitive. And, a genius IQ doesn't guarantee great academic performance. Still, Kirk didn't strike me as someone of only average intelligence. I think his sense of adventure sometimes trumped his intellect. As he said in TUC, "Fools rush in ...."
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It's okay, that's why I didn't use the word in my post.
I have to say, I love the rendition of San Francisco... THAT is how it looks in real life... gray... the city is known for its fog, dampness, and gray weather... if anything, the bright and sunny views we always got on TNG of the city were out of the norm... so I hope we see some real San Fran weather in the film.
The shot of the drill attacking San Fran worries me... because I'm REALLY hoping the reason for it is more imaginative than JJ just copying a page from ENT, and having Nero "test fire" his destructo-ray on Earth, before he moves on to Vulcan, like when the Xindi probe fired on Florida... I REALLY hope there's more imagination to it than that... if there is, cool... if not... ugh.
The shot of the drill attacking San Fran worries me... because I'm REALLY hoping the reason for it is more imaginative than JJ just copying a page from ENT, and having Nero "test fire" his destructo-ray on Earth, before he moves on to Vulcan, like when the Xindi probe fired on Florida... I REALLY hope there's more imagination to it than that... if there is, cool... if not... ugh.
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