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Just finished Before Dishonor...

But, isn't your primary complaint that you have been and are being ignored?

No, my primary complaint is how posters who were upset by Janeway's death were being treated. Granted, four threads at once may seem like a bit much but if folks can find common ground through discussion (this is a discussion board after all) then I say it's well worth it.
 
But, isn't your primary complaint that you have been and are being ignored?

No, my primary complaint is how posters who were upset by Janeway's death were being treated. Granted, four threads at once may seem like a bit much but if folks can find common ground through discussion (this is a discussion board after all) then I say it's well worth it.


And actually, with a few exceptions, I'd say we've pretty much done that.
 
I agree. I think this has been an outstanding discussion, this afternoon.


'Course it has given evidence to my hypothesis that you and I were separated at birth. Your opinions are eerily like mine, and you obviously like Firefly, which I think is the best thing ever.

I should have a Firefly avatar...
 
I agree. I think this has been an outstanding discussion, this afternoon.


'Course it has given evidence to my hypothesis that you and I were separated at birth. Your opinions are eerily like mine, and you obviously like Firefly, which I think is the best thing ever.

I should have a Firefly avatar...

:lol::lol::lol:

Thank you...? I think?

:)
 
I agree. I think this has been an outstanding discussion, this afternoon.

Me too. Anyone else as tired as I am? Thank goodness it's almost game time. ;)

For me it's sleeping time. It's 23.52 where I live and I got to work tomorrow.
Yeh. I sleepy too....

Good night, everybody, and thanks for the lively and entertaining discussion.

(In the interest of fostering good will, and in case anyone cares, I'm going to change my avatar just as soon as I find a new one I really like!)
 
I just finished Before Dishonor this evening, and I have to agree with the OP. I don't understand why so many people hate it. The characterizations were sometimes a little off, but it was usually nothing major. I enjoyed most of the humor and the death of Janeway bothered me not in the slightest. Like the OP, I would rank this above Resistance but below Q&A.
 
I'm an intermitent Trek reader so I've yet to get around to this one but before people start quitting the line because of one character's death let me just say that in George R. R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" series he killed off my favorite character. It hurt like hell but I kept reading and in the end it played out well. Who is to say that it won't in this case? We don't know how books down the line will deal with it.
 
I'm an intermitent Trek reader so I've yet to get around to this one but before people start quitting the line because of one character's death let me just say that in George R. R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" series he killed off my favorite character. It hurt like hell but I kept reading and in the end it played out well. Who is to say that it won't in this case? We don't know how books down the line will deal with it.


I had a similar situation with China Mievielle's Perdido Street Station. (Which if you liked Martin, you should find him interesting. Just don't get too attached to the characters.)
 
I'm an intermitent Trek reader so I've yet to get around to this one but before people start quitting the line because of one character's death let me just say that in George R. R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" series he killed off my favorite character. It hurt like hell but I kept reading and in the end it played out well. Who is to say that it won't in this case? We don't know how books down the line will deal with it.


I had a similar situation with China Mievielle's Perdido Street Station. (Which if you liked Martin, you should find him interesting. Just don't get too attached to the characters.)

I've just watched a tearjerker of a nuBSG episode where one of my favorite characters Kat dies. As much as I miss that character she did get a beautiful sendoff.

Unfortunately the same can't be said of Janeway as Trent Roman and others have already gone over. So much for Trek captains being larger than life.
 
Unfortunately the same can't be said of Janeway as Trent Roman and others have already gone over. So much for Trek captains being larger than life.

The character I'm speaking of was larger than life and he was killed in an almost pathetic way which made it all the more heartbreaking.

Semah- I'll take a look at those books.
 
I actually sort of like it when Big Damn Heroes get stupid, random deaths. It feels more like life to me. I mean, what's the ratio of people who go out saving their friends / the planet / whatever to people who go out because they slipped on something or blinked and missed the oncoming car or got cancer or whatever. Big important people sometimes just die for no reason at all. It sucks. It's happened to me. Stories like this helped me, and continue to help me, deal with that.

I'm not a religious person, and I think death is mostly just random and meaningless. Stories that try and make some great big deal out of it usually just piss me off. Janeway was curious about something, got eaten by a floor, and was buggered off. Whoops. I don't think it means anything, and I don't think it's unworthy of the character. I think all death is unworthy of anyone, and beyond that all we're doing is splitting hairs.

After that though, how other people deal with it? That's a story; that's about life, and a conflict everyone has to face sooner or later. So, assuming Full Circle does that story well, I couldn't really possibly care that much about her death, where it happened, how it happened, or how conscious she was when it did. I see how other people would, but even if I hadn't liked Before Dishonor, it wouldn't have made any difference in my opinion of the plot twist itself.
 
I actually sort of like it when Big Damn Heroes get stupid, random deaths. It feels more like life to me.

As do I. Remember Christopher's death or Silvio's in the Sopranos? Or how about the controversial Anakin Solo's death in Star Wars: Star by Star? All random but impacting nonetheless.

I don't want to get too into the discussion but I've always been pro character death as there needs to be a shake up and you need to know that anything can happen. Otherwise why read?
 
Anakin didn't die a random death. He was injured in battle and then sacrificed himself holding off the enemy while his team escaped.
The classic definition of a hero's death.
 
Well, by that definition, so was Janeway's; doesn't mean it wasn't random and arbitrary.
 
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