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Mr. B

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I recently acquired a third laptop (IBM T40). Free to experiment, I tried OSx86 and I now have Linux Mint installed. It is pleasant to work with but I can't think of a good reason to keep it long term. Having already read about advantages over Windows, I am curious if there is anything you can do with a linux computer that cannot be done with Windows. One thing that came to mind was rsync... I use a wrapper called deltacopy to run backups of my Win XP machine.
 
That depends. If you're willing to get you fingers dirty and dive into the CLI, then the answer is an overwhelming yes.

However, I might ask what is it that makes you think you can't use it long term over Windows? You said you knew the advantages. So, if it's working for you, why not stick with it?
 
Well there are a lot of little things (like never having to worry about defragmenting under linux, linux is so much secure which means you don't have to worry about firewalls/antivirus programs hogging resources in the background), but just the biggest advantige is that the OS and software is free. With windows you are constantly worrying that MS will drop security support for your version of Windows so MS can convince you to buy their latest. You don't have to worry about a stupid license key or how many hard drives you installed your OS on. You don't have to worry about the stupid security loopholes MS puts into Windows that lets institutions like the NSA spy on you if you want. All in all, free software is just the way to go.
 
I don't like to use the "It's free." line to convert people. It should be the reason people switch their operating system. Also, I think it only confuses the "Free speech, not free beer," aspect of the GNU license.

And, as much as I despise the insidiously malicious and monopolistic approach of the EULA and everything it stands for, there is sound reason and justification for purchasing software. (Whether it's the right price or not is another debate.)

Secondly, Linux isn't secure. at least, not like the common misnomer claims it to be. Many Linux distributions (Ubuntu, for instance.) have just as many security holes as Windows. (And for the record, Mint is a Unbuntu fork.) Certainly it's less likely to catch a virus or Trojan, but that's because there aren't any, not because it's less vulnerable. The only thing is more immune to out of the box is your run-of-the-mill malware.

However, Linux is much easier secure with some every day common sense practices; such that, a secured Linux computer is stronger than a secured Windows computer.

But, as I said, Linux's real power comes once you dive into the power of the CLI. I'm not going to bother with the real advanced stuff, but even your basic mundane tasks become so much easier once you learn the awesomeness of shell scripts. Things like making backups, scheduling tasks, sorting email, converting flac and wav files to mp3 or changing and mp3s sampling rate, converting bmps to jpgs or resizing them for TBBS thumbnails. This all can be done quickly and easily.

Now, a lot of that can be done with batch files in Windows. However, batch files are harder to write and are generally more cumbersome, aren't as inclusive and universal, and can't be fully integrated into the OS like scripts can--the last is great for tasks done on a daily basis.

But even if you want to move up to the desktop level, there are clear advantages. First and foremost are the options. You have the big three: KDE GNOME and XFCE, and then a whole bunch of smaller ones. I personally like Fluxbox. It's simple and really, really fast. And I adore window merging. Frankly, I think it's a bit funny that window merging isn't standard fare on all desktops these days.

But even within the options are options. They all have countless configuration choices, options, modifications, eye candy to mess around with to make your computer completely your own. Suffice it to say, you'd be hard-pressed to find two Linux desktops that are alike.

With that control comes functionality. People like to work their computers in different ways and being able to move things around to suit your own personal style really adds ease and efficiency.

Now compare this to the boring and pedestrian Windows and MacOS desktops. Where what you see is what you get. And you'll get it tomorrow and the next day, and the next. You don't like the placement of a menu, the behavior of the window, the icons, the window color and style? Tough. You're stuck with it anyway.

I know people who completely change their desktops around once or even twice a month. I think that's a bit excessive, but it's certainly the spice of life!

The same can be said for the file browsers. By default all the major ones (Konqueror, Nautilus, Thunar, Rox) are all more intuitive and functional than Explorer. But, again, if you don't like them, you can change them. They all have a plethora of options to fart around with to make your GUI life so much better.

Then there's the awesomeness of Package management. Let's face it, installing software on Windows is a painful chore. In Linux it's a few mouse clicks and your done. You can even install several programs at once.

But for me, the #1 thing Linux has over Windows is NO Registry! I have this working theory that like 70% of all the problems Windows users face are registry related. It is the bane of many Windows users existence and, for me at least, finally being free of it was a holy epiphany. God bless the /etc directory. But I digress.

While, Linux clearly has its fair share of faults and inconsistencies, I think the good far outweighs the bad. And, keep in mind that I only touched on a few specific things. There are many articles out there than can go into far greater detail than I can.
 
Now compare this to the boring and pedestrian Windows and MacOS desktops. Where what you see is what you get. And you'll get it tomorrow and the next day, and the next. You don't like the placement of a menu, the behavior of the window, the icons, the window color and style? Tough. You're stuck with it anyway.

There's actually quite a few ways to personalize the OSX GUI. Not many people go to the trouble since the default view is pretty good, but it's possible. And freeware utilities expand that capability.

I do wish the CLI in OSX were slightly easier to get to.....having to dig X11 or the Terminal out of its Utilities directory can be a bit of a pain. Then again, if I used it more often maybe I'd just add it to the Dock.

I once saw a guy who had OSX set up to constantly have Terminal running (more or less) *as* the desktop. You could still do all the normal clicking on icons and whatnot, but if you clicked somewhere non-icon on the desktop, the command line became active. I thought that was neat, but I never did figure out how he did it....
 
Well there are several ways of running xterm on the desktop that I know of. I don't know if the console MacOS uses or not is xterm, but since its a BSD it should be something similar. The process should be pretty much the same. The easiest way I know of is through Conky. I'm pretty sure I've seen people use Conky in OSX so maybe that's how he did it.

Non the less, there are bunches of articles and HOWTOs on the subject.
 
I have the long term plan to move to Linux once Windows XP is gone. Bill Gates is rich enough already. ;)
 
Four days? Worst case would be when they stop making security updates in 2014. ;)
 
I fiddle and play with Linux and always end up back in windows land - I just find linux to be a time sink - always *something* that doesn't quite work - especially with the more recent netbooks.

I purchased an acer one for short trips and it only became useful once I'd wiped it and put XP on it.
 
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Well, I have a fast CPU. I took the obscene pleasure of looking at the task manager for longer periods of time, and rarely did it go over 12%. Even when editing videos it was only at 30 to 50%. But... it's special software like this for which I paid good money which I refuse to give up. Ubuntu is great, but still no reason to throw away my existing workspace and lot's of stuff that works perfectly well.
Thanks to dual boot with Wubi ;) I am experimenting in the hope of setting up some viable alternative - but all that sadly is time nobody pays me for.
 
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It just occurred to me that I had not replied to the topic to acknowledge all of you who took the time to respond. Thank you all.

I certainly like the idea of complete control and customization as well as getting things done with the command line. I already use the run dialog to launch certain things... I just have to get over the learning curve associated with the CLI.
 
I fiddle and play with Linux and always end up back in windows land - I just find linux to be a time sink - always *something* that doesn't quite work - especially with the more recent netbooks.

I purchased an acer one for short trips and it only became useful once I'd wiped it and put XP on it.

What disto did you use? Some work much better w/ netbooks than others.

And, in my experience, Linux isn't any more of a time sink than Windows. It's just you're much more knowledgeable of Windows (At least I assume you are.) so things seem to go faster.
 
The only Linux distro I've ever explored is Ubuntu, and without the cmd-line knowledge I left it pretty quick - it was very similar to Windows so I just stuck with that. That said, I am currently upskilling myself so will go back to it at some stage.
 
I fiddle and play with Linux and always end up back in windows land - I just find linux to be a time sink - always *something* that doesn't quite work - especially with the more recent netbooks.

I purchased an acer one for short trips and it only became useful once I'd wiped it and put XP on it.

What disto did you use? Some work much better w/ netbooks than others.

And, in my experience, Linux isn't any more of a time sink than Windows. It's just you're much more knowledgeable of Windows (At least I assume you are.) so things seem to go faster.

I tried Linpus, Ubutunu, Mandriva, xandros - all have netbook editions - all have bits that don't work. One will have problems with the wifi, another will have problems with my 3g dongle, another will have problems with going to sleep etc etc. There was something that didn't work properly with all of them.

Then there is the software - I make heavy use of Atlas Ti, endnote and a few other programs. Yeah I could find replacements but why would I want to bother? They all work fine in windows.

Then there is the sync - on the netbook and my other machines, I have live mesh installed - it's fantastic. I work, I leave and my work is instantly on all my other machines, my phone and accessible via the web, it's been a real boon to my productivity.

Linux is a time sink for me because I was spending time trying to get the basics working (and looking at the acer one forum, even the hardcore linux people have struggled to get everything working) and that doesn't represent value to me - I installed XP and was working less than two hours later.
 
Worst case scenario if you need to get a windows program loaded there is always emulation/virtualization.

The popular choices are Wine, QEMU, VirtualBox, and VMWare.
 
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Yup. And Wine can run pretty much anything these days. And, with the computers these days there are more than enough resources for VMWare.
 
but to what end? Yeah I could run windows in VMWare but why?

For me windows does what I want, Linux doesn't - YMMV and all that...
 
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