Losing the Peace: Destroyed 1701-E?

[Thrawn]

Thanks for that review. By the way... who is your favorite Trek character? *sharpens knife*

 

[Strider]

Maybe they're engines from an Enterprise shuttle thing. If the whole ship crashed into a planet, I kinda doubt big pieces would be sticking up in the air like the wreck of some kind of single-engine prop plane.

 

[RandyS]

Does that mean the E-E will be destroyed in this novel?

Yes, I know, there are still many letters in the alphabet but I like that ship!!!

I don't and wouldn't miss it if it was destroyed. The Enterprise-D should never have been lost. And the E should have been an identical replacement, just as the A was.

Not that any of this matters in novel form where we can't actually see the ship, but still......

 

[KRAD]

its prety clear to me that this is just another example of the worse hackjobs to come out of the star trek DEATHCAMP that are the books. Isn't it clear what's going on here? wolf appears to be bigger than Picard because the author wants to belittle patrick steward. Now I don't know what the writer has against Patrick Steward but I waved at him once when he got in a taxi and he's a sound bloke, sound. He would have spoke to me I'm sure if he'd notice me. Anyway, I digress - oh and the nacelles where to start with the nacelles - the writing on them is WRONG WRONG WRONG - it's a complete hack job - any fool nows that the font is different - so what does that tell us? that it's another mirror universe story - featuring the borg and haven't we had enough of them? (I heard they took over the universe - as you'd except from those hack writers). Now I haven't purchased a star trek novel since 1982 or indeed watched the show since that cartoon in the 1970s but I deserve to be heard.

You, sir, win the Internet. Bravo!

 

[JoeZhang]

Not that any of this matters in novel form where we can't actually see the ship, but still......

That's why the writers have to paint a picture for us with their wonderful words.


Picard looked out into space, to where the Enterprise-F was berthed. "Mister Worf, is it just me or is the new Enterprise shaped like a flying dildo?"

"It is not something we discuss with outsiders".

 

[ATimson]

The Enterprise-D should never have been lost. And the E should have been an identical replacement, just as the A was.

Sure, they could've kept the same model, but since they needed to scrap the sets anyways, why not just build a new design the next time?

 

[DimesDan]

I don't and wouldn't miss it if it was destroyed. The Enterprise-D should never have been lost. And the E should have been an identical replacement, just as the A was.

By that logic, Enterprise B, C, D and E should have been Constitution refits which seems a little silly to me.

And personally, I prefer the Sovereign class over the Galaxy class any day.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

its prety clear to me that this is just another example of the worse hackjobs to come out of the star trek DEATHCAMP that are the books. Isn't it clear what's going on here? wolf appears to be bigger than Picard because the author wants to belittle patrick steward. Now I don't know what the writer has against Patrick Steward but I waved at him once when he got in a taxi and he's a sound bloke, sound. He would have spoke to me I'm sure if he'd notice me. Anyway, I digress - oh and the nacelles where to start with the nacelles - the writing on them is WRONG WRONG WRONG - it's a complete hack job - any fool nows that the font is different - so what does that tell us? that it's another mirror universe story - featuring the borg and haven't we had enough of them? (I heard they took over the universe - as you'd except from those hack writers). Now I haven't purchased a star trek novel since 1982 or indeed watched the show since that cartoon in the 1970s but I deserve to be heard.

Thanks for that review. By the way... who is your favorite Trek character? *sharpens knife*

No no no you have to comit character assaination of that character THEN kill him/her shees youhave to tell writers everything these days.

 

[RandyS]

The Enterprise-D should never have been lost. And the E should have been an identical replacement, just as the A was.

Sure, they could've kept the same model, but since they needed to scrap the sets anyways, why not just build a new design the next time?

Yeah, but when you consider the fact that the E-E in both First Contact and Insurrection were clearly redresses of the Voyager sets, and that the Voyager sets in turn was a redress of the E-D, why couldn't they have done that, and just called it the E-D?

 

[RandyS]

I don't and wouldn't miss it if it was destroyed. The Enterprise-D should never have been lost. And the E should have been an identical replacement, just as the A was.

By that logic, Enterprise B, C, D and E should have been Constitution refits which seems a little silly to me.

And personally, I prefer the Sovereign class over the Galaxy class any day.

And I prefer the Galaxy class (obviously, huh?).

And just for clarity's sake, I used the E-A as an example. If Kirk was given two identical ships, why wasn't Picard?

 

[nx1701g]

^ Advancements in technology?

 

[Christopher]

Yeah, but when you consider the fact that the E-E both First Contact and Insurrection were clearly redresses of the Voyager sets, and that the Voyager sets in turn was a redress of the E-D, why couldn't they have done that, and just called it the E-D?

Actually the E-E sets were not redresses of the VGR sets, but entirely new sets built for the films. They had to be, since the standing VGR sets on Paramount's Stages 8 & 9 were in use for production of the show at the same time the movies were being made. For FC, the E-E bridge was built on Stage 15 and engineering and the corridors were on the adjoining Stage 14. For INS, those sets were rebuilt on Stage 5. NEM returned the bridge to Stage 15, along with the Jefferies tubes, while engineering, sickbay, quarters, and corridors were on Stage 17.

http://pat.suwalski.net/film/st-stages/

 

[Cicero]

^ Some of the Enterprise-E sets were redressed Voyager rooms: sickbay, crew quarters, Troi's office and the library.

 

[Christopher]

But the point is that most of the E-E sets were original, not redresses. Also, if you'll look at my previous post, you'll see that sickbay and crew quarters were new in NEM, at least.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But the point is that most of the E-E sets were original, not redresses. Also, if you'll look at my previous post, you'll see that sickbay and crew quarters were new in NEM, at least.

When did we see sickbay in that film? The scenes with Data and B-4? I thought that was one of Data's labs.

Although maybe that'll be a plot point in this novel. Getting away from a sickbay which was just like Voyager's but painted yellowish-orangeish. Maybe that will in fact be Losing the Peach.

 

[Brendan Moody]

But the point is that most of the E-E sets were original, not redresses. Also, if you'll look at my previous post, you'll see that sickbay and crew quarters were new in NEM, at least.

When did we see sickbay in that film?

The scene where Crusher uses the bloodstain to confirm that Shinzon is a clone of Picard and the scene where Crusher examines Troi after the viceroy's mental rape. Also, a deleted scene featuring sickbay preparing for battle.

 

[JD]

But the point is that most of the E-E sets were original, not redresses. Also, if you'll look at my previous post, you'll see that sickbay and crew quarters were new in NEM, at least.

Just found this on the Memory Alpha page for FC

Despite the number of new sets created for the film, the production once again reused old material, including turbolift wall sections dating back to 1979's Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Sections of the starship Voyager from Star Trek: Voyager were cannibalized for the film, with that series' sickbay repainted and redressed for use as Doctor Crusher's sickbay; the Voyager cargo bay set became the Enterprise weaponslocker with relatively little modification. Having been saved from the wrecking crews following the completion of Generations, the Enterprise-D observation lounge, first built in 1987 for TNG was put into service, overhauled and expanded, then connected to the bridge set. For the first time in the Star Trek film series, the transporter room did not appear.

Insurrection

Sets for Data's scoutship, the Enterprise-E shuttlecraft and Captain Picard's yacht were revamped versions of the class 2 shuttle (from VOY) and Federation runabout (from DS9) respectively.
Many of the set pieces from the Son'a ship later went on to comprise the interior of Suliban starships, beginning with ENT: "Broken Bow". Wall fixtures in Ru'afo's briefing room later appeared in "Fusion" in the bar on Earth.
The computer table seen in Ru'afo's briefing room also appeared later when it was used in Star Trek Nemesis in the Enterprise-E's

Nemesis:

The Enterprise-E observation lounge features a bank of computers that later reappeared aboard the Enterprise NX-01 in "The Xindi" and later still in "Observer Effect", where it was repainted.
While in Star Trek Generations the displays in stellar cartography were created with blue-screens and digital compositing, stellar cartography in this film simply featured a large screen with a rear-projected display. The set was the same as used in Voyager.
Also, the console in the center of stellar cartography seen in this film was a reuse of the table featured in the Son'a conference room in Star Trek: Insurrection.
Picard's new captain's chair used in a deleted scene set at the end of the film was later reused as Captain Archer's command chair during the fourth season of Star Trek: Enterprise. The deleted scene had Picard pressing a button on the left armrest to activate the chair's built-in seatbelt, to which he exclaims "It's about time!" This appears to be the same button referenced while the chair is introduced on Enterprise in the episode "Borderland" when Trip Tucker warns Archer not to press a button on the left armrest. This could be an in-joke, since the button would

Hope that helped

 

[adamczar]

I swear I saw a version of the cover where the whole current Ent-E crew is standing behind Picard and Worf. I wish I remembered where I saw that. Does anyone else remember seeing it and if so do you have a link?

I like Worf and Picard but would like to see the rest "in the flesh."

That being said, I think the cover shown is definitely a work in progress. Should turn out great, though.

 

[JD]

It was the earlier cover shown in the Pocket Catalog, although it actually had Data, and possibly even Riker and Troi on it too.

 

[Christopher]

Hope that helped

I never denied that some sets were recycled. But the person I was responding to was under the mistaken impression that all the Enterprise-E sets were simply redresses of the Voyager sets. And that is categorically untrue. The main sets -- the bridge, engineering, corridors, observation lounge, quarters, and the NEM sickbay -- were new. (Well, the obs lounge was refurbished from the old TNG set, but that was never one of the standing TMP/TNG/VGR sets on Stage 9, but a separate construct on Stage 8.)

Also, Mem Alpha is wrong in its assertion that the stellar cartography lab in NEM was the same set as astrometrics in VGR. According to the soundstage site I linked to above, it was actually a redress of the E-E engineering set on stage 17.